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Old 01-21-2014, 08:27 PM   #101 (permalink)
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While Toews was playing against guys from the local pick up leagues
Noted that you said this jibberish. Toews during the WJC was playing against; Malkin, Kessel, Kane,Rask, E. Johnson, etc,etc, lol…etc. So, these are pick up leaguers? Do you even look at statistical evidence to back up such outlandish statements?When, suddenly, did the WJC become on par with a pick up league? Now, I understand that many here defending Sid are Pens fans, Pens fans whom might have invested a huge amount of money into trading cards bearing his picture and the thought of somebody else being deemed the better player just might cause them to get cold feet in terms of their investment, but honestly, relax. That poster on the wall only comes down if Pens fans choose it to. But, no offense, I do enjoy Malkin being deemed a pick up leaguer just on principle.

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Sid was playing alongside Mario against MEN who wanted nothing more then to bash his head in (see Hatcher Pronger and many more). Still managed to put up 102 points along side an OLD Recchi, Palffy and Leclair.
And, with MEN, couldn’t produce a playoff berth while playing with the likes of a washed up Mario and the rest of the geriatric ward, obviously. Ah yes, he was a marked child the second he laced up his skates, which pretty much every hyped up prospect has to deal with. Blame the Pens front office for not supplying him with protection and maybe he would have beaten OV for the Calder or had more points then OV. A fine rookie season, but alas, not good enough to garner even a playoff chance. Now fast forward to last years playoffs, and what was the excuse then? The Hawks steam rolled the Bruins, while the Pens were swept. Swept, I tell ya. And embarrassed. So much so, that Iggy, who only accepted a trade to play along side Sid and speculate a gift Cup went to the other side the next year to try and actually get a good shot at making a Cup final and lose again to the Hawks. This could be debated, but the fact two star players high tailed it outta Pittsburgh, Hossa and Iggy, when they had a chance says a lot more about the presumption Sid is this mystical leader among men then any C on an Olympic team ever could.
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Toews was passed up by 2 teams in the draft obviously they saw more talent elsewhere at the time.
Yes, and sure enough, those teams, the Blues and Pens, have been kicking themselves ever since for trying to, in their feeble minds, mind you, taking players with whom valued scouts said had more upside instead of taking the proven winner with a similar, if not better, tool box. Both teams obviously made a mistake, and trying to use such folly is a rather weak argument.
Why, here is some links pertaining to that draft;
A look back at the 2006 Entry Draft - 2011 NHL Entry Draft
2006 NHL Draft Revisited
I mean, lets take the fact Toews was committed to finishing college into context, or that Johnson was considered the second coming of Pronger and Staal was being compared to his brother. Toews was considered the safest pick with the lowest floor. Neither one of those players have come close to replicating Toews success, so hindsight is 20/20 but thank the lord both GM’s were so stupid as to let the best player in the NHL fall to your Champion Blackhawks.

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Sid on the other hand was waiting to be drafted when he was 13 y/o.
So is every 13 y/o with the dream of playing in the NHL.

Wait, are you trying to say Sid was ready for the NHL as a 13 y/o right after typing out how big meanies like Chris Pronger were “head hunting” him? Double LOL
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Sid always played levels above his own age. Even now NHLers not Toews Fanbois vote Crosby as the #1 player. His whole career Sid has made every guy on his line better Armstrong, Christiensen, Malone, Dupper, Kunitz ect. Toews has never made a player better.
Already been thru this folly. Sid hasn’t made anybody better when those players he is lined up with were already good(Kunitz), proven to be consistent in production away from Sid (Malone), or had their best season away from Sid (Armstrong). If Sid had this god given talent, then why did two top line players choose to leave him in this day and age of contracts based on performance? One of which chose to play with Toews? And we can go into who has Toews made better, but Mike Babcock said it best when asked last Olympics who the best players were;
”Whoever was playing with Toews
So right there, ill take it from the best coach in the game that Toews makes players around him better….superstar players, no less. It isn’t a surprise to me that Bergeron started becoming the player he is now after playing wing with Toews. Undisputed considering Bergeron didn’t start ringing up Selke votes until after playing with the guy. Now, I know what Crosboi nation will say to counter, but sadly, Toews didn’t play wing on Sid’s line.(chuckles)

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Cups tell no tale.
They don’t? Why, only a Sid fan with say such blather. Tell this to those players who cry like girls the second they raise that thing over their head and feel their NHL career is complete, like Ray Bourque. Tell this to any kid who dreams of raising the Cup, or the “tale” engraved every single year into the thing itself like a chapter of completeness for the year played. Nah, not worth playing for? Scoring titles tell more, perhaps? Excuses? Injuries? PP points?
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The Hawks system is a winning system.
Yet, you need players to play that system, with Toews being the main cog in the wheel that makes everything work. Seriously, how many Hawks games have you seen, son? The entire Hawks system was built around strong two way play thru out four lines, speed, and puck possession. Kane, whom somebody stated was the “franchise” player on this team, is a second line player because of this.
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You can take a handful of the NHL upper talent and win with that system
Oh really? Because the only players I could honestly think that could replace the things Toews provides are only Datsyuk and Bergeron and even then I don’t think either would deliver the total package. Trying to short change a dual Cup winning captain for the sake of propping up Sid is, again hilarious. You cannot play make believe or “what if”. Stick to reality and fact, there isn’t another optional choice considering most NHL “upper talent” cannot play the system the Hawks play. If they could, there would be an abundance of teams trying to copy the winning template of your Champions. Sid cant play that type of game, he isn’t defensively responsible enough to center players like Sharp and Hossa. If he was, why did Hossa leave? It certainly wasn’t money considering the Pens offered him 7.5 million a year.
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but Penguins Run through Crosby
But a puck possession team that stresses two way play doesn’t run thru the best two way player in the game? (scratches head)
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. He is hands down the most Amazing talent to watch. His non goals make top 10 lists. Toews cant be #1 in the NHL when he wouldn't be #1 or even two on 3 of the 30 NHL Teams. Toews is a GREAT player and deserving of every award and Championship he has won and he plays the game the right way BUT he himself will tell you he isn't better then Sid.
Of course he wouldn’t. He Jonathan Toews. He just wins Cups.

Good job.
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