01 BC Pujols RC Auto - Old BGS vs New

dmogull · 07-01-2011, 11:48 AM

Got some nice sub bumps, but the one that really suprised me was centering (which did not get a bump)...I have personally seen more than a few 01 BC Pujols RC's with the same exact centering that got a 9.5 sub for centering...

Old Label (Card was graded in 2001..)

New Label

vatechhokiefan · 07-01-2011, 12:11 PM

So same card graded by the same company and it receives a better grade and better sub grades in some areas? Doesn't do much to increase my confidence in card grading and Beckett. I could understand changes from a different company, but that card has been encased for ten years and got better? I guess it just shows how subjective grading can be.

Please don't take this the wrong way OP as that is a great card and the grading has nothing to do with you.

dthimesch · 07-01-2011, 12:21 PM

wow. I know Beckett was once regarded as a very tough grader and is one of the main reasons why their grades would hold more value than PSA's same grades.

Over the years Beckett's toughness on grades has become relaxed and I think it shows here, as well as the price BGS hold on same grades as PSA's. Did you re sub the card slabbed for regrading? or did you crack the case and sub it again? I would think that getting a jump in grades like that was from cracking it out of the case.

At any rate. You got a VERY nice "pay raise" with that card going from a 8.5 to a 9. with 2 9.5's!! Very nice card man! I would love to own one.

dachman · 07-01-2011, 12:26 PM

The card healed itself over time!

Very nice and a beautiful card!

natbornkiller · 07-01-2011, 12:28 PM

i can understand the plus or minus of a half grade but for the corners to go up a full grade

nikobaseball · 07-01-2011, 01:33 PM

Did you crack it out first? I assume you must have or else you would not have gotten so many bumps.

WCTYSON · 07-01-2011, 01:36 PM

Once again. Every time you post a card it is one I am chasing. I hate you and I hate your cards too.

guru · 07-01-2011, 01:49 PM

Beckett has lowered their standards over the years. This just further proves my theory.

7290morint · 07-01-2011, 01:55 PM

I don't know how the company can have even have "standards" based on the fact that grading is such a subjective process. Standards would imply that they actually have an instrument of some sort that takes measurements and a grade is issued or that data is acquired in a rigorous manner and then analyzed. Unless I am totally wrong in how cards are graded. This is proven by the fact that the card once graded an 8.5 is now given a 9 grade.

guru · 07-01-2011, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7290morint

I don't know how the company can have even have "standards" based on the fact that grading is such a subjective process. Standards would imply that they actually have an instrument of some sort that takes measurements and a grade is issued or that data is acquired in a rigorous manner and then analyzed. Unless I am totally wrong in how cards are graded. This is proven by the fact that the card once graded an 8.5 is now given a 9 grade.

It is always going to be sujective, but they are suposed to have a rubrick of sorts to grade on.

7290morint · 07-01-2011, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guru

It is always going to be sujective, but they are suposed to have a rubrick of sorts to grade on.

It's pretty obvious that there is room for interpretation on that "rubric". While I certainly understanding the reasoning for grading cards (I just sent in 2 to be graded) I just don't think anybody should be surprised by grades that are given out during such a subjective process.

guru · 07-01-2011, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7290morint

It's pretty obvious that there is room for interpretation on that "rubric". While I certainly understanding the reasoning for grading cards (I just sent in 2 to be graded) I just don't think anybody should be surprised by grades that are given out during such a subjective process.

agreed

thewild3 · 07-01-2011, 02:28 PM

That card is like wine. It grades better with time. Wait another 10 years send it back in and it will get a BGS 9.5

bigfrank · 07-01-2011, 03:43 PM

Well maybe since it was graded in 2001 (when the card first came out) they now have more information on this particular card itself. Meaning, over time they have seen that x amount are bad about surface, x amount are centered this way, etc...so they have become a little more lenient knowing gems arent out there.

dmogull · 07-01-2011, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WCTYSON

Once again. Every time you post a card it is one I am chasing. I hate you and I hate your cards too.

haha - you know i love u too Warren

Guys - the case was cracked before it was submitted and I did a fair amount oof analysis on the card before I purchased it....I knew 100% the gradeds it received in 2001 were extremely harsh, especially compared to how all the chrome were grading nowadays. Given how much I paid for the card, I think I made out well, but that centering 8.5 is really really bugging me...

is the centering on this card any better than my card? IMO, both cards are off a TOUCH to the right... EDIT - just found a pic of another pujols chrome rc with 8.5 centering (which really is 8.5)...compare that card's centering to my card (which also received an 8.5 for centering) and I think you will see my point....

9.5 centering (almost identical to mine)

8.5 centering (look how off this centering is compared to mine which also received an 8.5)

WCTYSON · 07-01-2011, 06:28 PM

Yeah that grade would bug me too, sell it!

I am sure we could work a deal for you to get your money back, just send me a pm.

You win some, you lose some.

NonFlammable · 07-01-2011, 06:49 PM

Hell crack it open again and resubmit it - 3rd time's the charm!

thewild3 · 07-01-2011, 07:26 PM

That 9.5 centering card looks like it was a nicer top border.

Coug46n2 · 07-01-2011, 07:26 PM

Look at the auto on the 8.5 example, it should have recieved a 9 grade. At least we know where Bryce Harper got his pen from.....

nikobaseball · 07-01-2011, 08:53 PM

Do you guys think I can bump this to a BGS 11?

dthimesch · 07-01-2011, 09:15 PM

Yours look a little more off centered top to bottom then the other ones also. Maybe that is holding it down still also.

adamgp03 · 07-01-2011, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikobaseball

Do you guys think I can bump this to a BGS 11?

This was my first LOL on Blowout card forum. Well done!

mikecancelliere · 07-02-2011, 03:00 AM

Maybe in another 10 years it'll degrade as a 10

07-01-2011, 11:48 AM	#1 (permalink)
dmogull Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NY/NJ Posts: 3,881 m3equals333	01 BC Pujols RC Auto - Old BGS vs New Got some nice sub bumps, but the one that really suprised me was centering (which did not get a bump)...I have personally seen more than a few 01 BC Pujols RC's with the same exact centering that got a 9.5 sub for centering... Old Label (Card was graded in 2001..) New Label Last edited by dmogull; 07-01-2011 at 11:51 AM.

07-01-2011, 12:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
vatechhokiefan Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dublin, VA Posts: 2,091 admiral50	So same card graded by the same company and it receives a better grade and better sub grades in some areas? Doesn't do much to increase my confidence in card grading and Beckett. I could understand changes from a different company, but that card has been encased for ten years and got better? I guess it just shows how subjective grading can be. Please don't take this the wrong way OP as that is a great card and the grading has nothing to do with you. __________________ Collecting New York Yankees, Pittsburgh Steelers, and San Antonio Spurs.

07-01-2011, 12:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
dthimesch Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 11,399 autosncards dthimesch	wow. I know Beckett was once regarded as a very tough grader and is one of the main reasons why their grades would hold more value than PSA's same grades. Over the years Beckett's toughness on grades has become relaxed and I think it shows here, as well as the price BGS hold on same grades as PSA's. Did you re sub the card slabbed for regrading? or did you crack the case and sub it again? I would think that getting a jump in grades like that was from cracking it out of the case. At any rate. You got a VERY nice "pay raise" with that card going from a 8.5 to a 9. with 2 9.5's!! Very nice card man! I would love to own one. __________________ Twitter: @autosncards Ustream Channel: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/dthimesch Vaughntv Channel: http://vaughnlive.tv/dthimesch

07-01-2011, 12:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
dachman Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Fitchburg, WI Posts: 3,735 dachman319	The card healed itself over time! Very nice and a beautiful card! __________________ James Starks Super Collector Collection Bucket: http://s1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd445/dachman/James%20Starks%20PC/ Busting Packs PC Profile: http://www.bustingpacks.com/pc-profile/james-starks

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07-01-2011, 01:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
nikobaseball Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 561	Did you crack it out first? I assume you must have or else you would not have gotten so many bumps.

07-01-2011, 01:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
WCTYSON Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 10,546 wtyson23	Once again. Every time you post a card it is one I am chasing. I hate you and I hate your cards too. __________________ B.O. member Luck15hope a.k.a. dyehards123 on Ebay.

07-01-2011, 01:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
guru Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Central, KY Posts: 13,963 $guru$ guru	Beckett has lowered their standards over the years. This just further proves my theory. __________________ Follow me on Twitter - @ebayguruEric Now Collecting: Ken Griffey Jr. & Laila Ali

07-01-2011, 01:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
7290morint Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,782 the_alchemist83	I don't know how the company can have even have "standards" based on the fact that grading is such a subjective process. Standards would imply that they actually have an instrument of some sort that takes measurements and a grade is issued or that data is acquired in a rigorous manner and then analyzed. Unless I am totally wrong in how cards are graded. This is proven by the fact that the card once graded an 8.5 is now given a 9 grade. __________________ Looking for 2011 Topps Tribute Black Refractors #'d/10: 62/100 so far Last edited by 7290morint; 07-01-2011 at 02:01 PM.

07-01-2011, 02:28 PM	#13 (permalink)
thewild3 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,374	That card is like wine. It grades better with time. Wait another 10 years send it back in and it will get a BGS 9.5

07-01-2011, 03:43 PM	#14 (permalink)
bigfrank Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central Ky Posts: 284 bigfrankbrl	Well maybe since it was graded in 2001 (when the card first came out) they now have more information on this particular card itself. Meaning, over time they have seen that x amount are bad about surface, x amount are centered this way, etc...so they have become a little more lenient knowing gems arent out there.

07-01-2011, 06:28 PM	#16 (permalink)
WCTYSON Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 10,546 wtyson23	Yeah that grade would bug me too, sell it! I am sure we could work a deal for you to get your money back, just send me a pm. You win some, you lose some. __________________ B.O. member Luck15hope a.k.a. dyehards123 on Ebay.

07-01-2011, 06:49 PM	#17 (permalink)
NonFlammable Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,000	Hell crack it open again and resubmit it - 3rd time's the charm!

07-01-2011, 07:26 PM	#18 (permalink)
thewild3 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,374	That 9.5 centering card looks like it was a nicer top border.

07-01-2011, 07:26 PM	#19 (permalink)
Coug46n2 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Washington State Posts: 3,029 Coug46n2 Coug46n2	Look at the auto on the 8.5 example, it should have recieved a 9 grade. At least we know where Bryce Harper got his pen from..... __________________ Current needs: Kirby Puckett Relics, Game Used, Patches, Inserts, & Parallels. Also looking for BGS 9.5 Topps RCs from 1980-current.

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mikecancelliere Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 9,314 xMCSPORTSCARDSx	Maybe in another 10 years it'll degrade as a 10 __________________ http://photobucket.com/albums/f251/mikecancelliere/BASEBALL BUYING ANY AND ALL CHROME RONALD GUZMAN! ALSO NEED ADDISON RUSSELL STERLING AUTOS!

07-01-2011, 08:53 PM	#20 (permalink)
nikobaseball Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 561	Do you guys think I can bump this to a BGS 11?

07-01-2011, 09:15 PM	#21 (permalink)
dthimesch Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 11,399 autosncards dthimesch	Yours look a little more off centered top to bottom then the other ones also. Maybe that is holding it down still also. __________________ Twitter: @autosncards Ustream Channel: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/dthimesch Vaughntv Channel: http://vaughnlive.tv/dthimesch

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