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Old 07-23-2011, 07:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Ebay card trimmed...help.

So I bought a 1955 Topps Harmon Killebrew rookie off Ebay. Seller has perfect feedback and buyers always raved about the cards they received. Sent it to PSA and it came back N1 Trimmed.

Messaged seller they claim PSA made a mistake and it is unaltered. Of course 45 days have passed and I have already left + feedback. They told me to send the card back and they will refund but obviously this is risky.

I'm considering calling my credit card company as I have 90 days to file claims. I understand many will say don't buy vintage ungraded off Ebay. I understand but the seller has been flawless previously. I have purchased other cards from them np.

Thoughts? What would u do?

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Old 07-23-2011, 07:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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send it back with tracking. if they dont refund call your cc company
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Old 07-23-2011, 07:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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send it back with tracking. if they dont refund call your cc company
What if I suggest sending a paypal invoice to them for the card? Then if I don't send they can dispute. Then we are both protected.
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sorry to hear about your troubles, but yeah that does sound like a good idea...question is will the seller agree?
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sorry to hear about your troubles, but yeah that does sound like a good idea...question is will the seller agree?
Ya. They were emailing back yesterday but today nothing.

The Auction states:

"It is 100% authentic & unaltered guaranteed"!
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They said they would refund you. What is the issue?
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They said they would refund you. What is the issue?
I'm scared I ship the card and they never reply again. I have no recourse with Ebay and Paypal as 45 days have past. You would ship it back no questions asked? What if they say I didn't send that card or something? Sorry that i'm a little paranoid its $500 and my trust is wearing thin. Never disputed with my credit card so its new to me.
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And just because PSA wouldn't grade it, that doesn't mean it was trimmed by the seller. There are quite a few early/mid 50s topps cards that were cut slightly short by Topps back in the day. If it didn't measure up exactly to the 55 topps size, they won't grade it and put evidence of trimming/card altered/card does not meet minimum size.
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I'm scared I ship the card and they never reply again. I have no recourse with Ebay and Paypal as 45 days have past. You would ship it back no questions asked? What if they say I didn't send that card or something? Sorry that i'm a little paranoid its $500 and my trust is wearing thin.
Who is the seller and whats their feedback?
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ALso, why did you pay $500 for an ungraded card that books at $250?
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ALso, why did you pay $500 for an ungraded card that books at $250?
The card is gorgeous. 4 sharp corners and near perfect centering. I knew it would get at least an 8 and maybe a 9. Check what those sell for...
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If the seller has good feedback, just send it back with signature confirmation.
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Does this seller sell raw and graded? Or just raw?
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Does this seller sell raw and graded? Or just raw?
Mostly raw. The odd graded.

All Pre 1965.

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You paid $500 for it? In your PSA submission thread, you said you paid less than $499. Also said that you know they aren't perfect.

PSA submission question...

"I have Ryan, Killebrew, and Rose rookies I want to send...they are not perfect obviously but not sure if they will be over $499. Paid less than that for them."
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ALso, why did you pay $500 for an ungraded card that books at $250?
I love that BV is brought up here when so many consider it irrelevant...
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I love that BV is brought up here when so many consider it irrelevant...
BV is much more relevant when it comes to vintage than to new cards.
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You paid $500 for it? In your PSA submission thread, you said you paid less than $499. Also said that you know they aren't perfect.

PSA submission question...

"I have Ryan, Killebrew, and Rose rookies I want to send...they are not perfect obviously but not sure if they will be over $499. Paid less than that for them."
Yes it was $480 pardon me for rounding up?????? Rose and Ryan were less. Am I on trial here?
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I'm just saying, you said in your old post that you know they aren't perfect. But now you say the Killebrew is gorgeous with 4 sharp corners and well centered.
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Who was the ebay seller? And how did your Rose/Ryans grade out?
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You bought a rae Killebrew RC on of Ebay. End of story....I would say a raw card being as good as you claim and NOT altered and bought off Ebay is 5%. ANYTHING in that sort of condition will be slabbed.
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You bought a rae Killebrew RC on of Ebay. End of story....I would say a raw card being as good as you claim and NOT altered and bought off Ebay is 5%. ANYTHING in that sort of condition will be slabbed.
Agree with this 100%. The only time sharp ungraded vintage is found is when an old timer who hates grading decides to sell off his collection.
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You bought a rae Killebrew RC on of Ebay. End of story....I would say a raw card being as good as you claim and NOT altered and bought off Ebay is 5%. ANYTHING in that sort of condition will be slabbed.
Ok. But the listing stated it was unaltered. They sell a ton of high end cards and barely any are graded. They get top top money on most of them.

I will have no issue telling everyone the seller once i'm refunded.

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Just keep sending it in to PSA. Eventually it will grade. lol
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Just keep sending it in to PSA. Eventually it will grade. lol
LOL...really?
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