Whats the deal with Beckett and all the 9 Autos lately

romad97 · 08-29-2011, 01:20 PM

I have been surfing around Ebay the past few days for some BC prospect autos and I have noticed a trend of a whole lot of 9 autos. A lot of these are actually clean looking autos. What is Beckett's deal lately with this?

messier2 · 08-29-2011, 01:31 PM

Scans? There could be some bubbling on the auto that is not clear on the scan...

mikecancelliere · 08-29-2011, 01:38 PM

I've really only noticed it on Harper autos

tmoore_25 · 08-29-2011, 01:53 PM

I think the whole grading thing is a con. Especially when it comes to many of the newer cards. I have seen quite a few cards that in my opinion should be a 10 and some lower. I think the big deal is with the 10's. The more Harper autos that they grade as a 10 would bring the value of them down due to the lack of rarity out there. I think it is there own way of controlling the value of the market. Just my 2 cents.

Why would you pay above book value for a 2011 card that has been certified by someone else to be "mint" when the same ungraded card sitting next to it could be mint too and cost you less. Either way, if you are a collector and not a flipper you still have the card. I don't know, I just don't get the theory of grading new cards. Vintage is a different story because people just didn't take very good care of them and to find a high grade vintage card is rare.

It might be off the topic but why do you feel the need to grade a brand new card other than to profit from it even more which is exactly what beckett wants in some cases.

Tyler · 08-29-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tmoore_25

It might be off the topic but why do you feel the need to grade a brand new card other than to profit from it even more which is exactly what beckett wants in some cases.

Some people like the protection graded card cases offer. Most grade their cards to make a profit. And really, what's the harm in that?

messier2 · 08-29-2011, 02:19 PM

Anything that can increase the sale price of my card...I'm all for it!

death2redemptions · 08-29-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by messier2

Anything that can increase the sale price of my card...I'm all for it!

Yeah, but it can also decrease it. If your card ends up getting graded a 9 then some may potentially pay less or if it sells for at least the same as a non graded version in the long run you'll loss money because you had to pay to get the card graded.

messier2 · 08-29-2011, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by death2redemptions

Yeah, but it can also decrease it. If your card ends up getting graded a 9 then some may potentially pay less or if it sells for at least the same as a non graded version in the long run you'll loss money because you had to pay to get the card graded.

I don't grade any cards that will grade less than a 9.5.

benshobbies · 08-29-2011, 02:49 PM

The only thing I hate about grading is customers that buy a high powered microscope like the ones that beckett has, than they buy a card from me that I list in NMT-MT condition or better. They say that the card is "Damaged," then they return the card when it has a speck of a scratch on the surface, or a tiny speck of chipping on the edges. It drives a seller of ungraded cards crazy when people are so darned bent on getting a Pristine 10 out of a card that I list at around in NMT-MT condition or better!

death2redemptions · 08-29-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by messier2

I don't grade any cards that will grade less than a 9.5.

But how do you KNOW that they will be 9.5's? You may overestimate the condition of a card. Could happen you know?

messier2 · 08-29-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by death2redemptions

But how do you KNOW that they will be 9.5's? You may overestimate the condition of a card. Could happen you know?

Of course it happens, but I set a minimum grade requirement and if it doesn't hit 9.5, they just leave it raw and send it back to me.

dthimesch · 08-29-2011, 03:05 PM

I think you have been looking at too many Harpers

tmoore_25 · 08-31-2011, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyler

Some people like the protection graded card cases offer. Most grade their cards to make a profit. And really, what's the harm in that?

A penny sleeve, a hard sleeve, and a sealed team bag, or just a magnetic case with team bag would offer pretty much the same amount of protection. If you buy a box of Bowman for $75.00 and pull a Harper auto that lists for $700.00 ungraded in Beckett, isn't that profit enough?

tmoore_25 · 08-31-2011, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by death2redemptions

Yeah, but it can also decrease it. If your card ends up getting graded a 9 then some may potentially pay less or if it sells for at least the same as a non graded version in the long run you'll loss money because you had to pay to get the card graded.

Not necessarily, I have read posts on here where the person sends in their card for grading and doesn't get the grade that they want. What do they do? Open the cases and send it in for regrading or send the whole thing back to have someone else look at it and get it bumped up. Anything to make an extra buck.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm all about the small business owner making money. If not for them I would not have my favorite LCS to go to. But my guy gives me super deals on everything. I have never paid book price for a card, get plenty of minor star cards for free, and usually gives me a couple dollars off of boxes. I return the favor of course by giving him cards he needs towards his sets and any non-baseball cards that I come across when I buy lots from other people. I've even given him a duplicate A&G Evan Longoria auto that I recieved when I purchased a case.

mwheeler27 · 08-31-2011, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tmoore_25

A penny sleeve, a hard sleeve, and a sealed team bag, or just a magnetic case with team bag would offer pretty much the same amount of protection.

Nope.

When considering all the different things that might just happen to your collection, slabbed cards are a LOT safer than what you mentioned above. Here's one example where slabbed cards would have been better:

Baseball card collection... and a flood!

HadWayTooMuch · 08-31-2011, 07:50 AM

Am I the only one that sees a conflict of interest when the same company grades a card and has a price guide for the graded card?

tmoore_25 · 08-31-2011, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

Am I the only one that sees a conflict of interest when the same company grades a card and has a price guide for the graded card?

No you are not. Here's a good one. Why does a card that grades at a BGS 10 go for more than a card that is graded a 10 from a different less desirable company? Just because of their reputation? I don't see how that is part of determining the value of the actual card itself.

Tyler · 08-31-2011, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tmoore_25

A penny sleeve, a hard sleeve, and a sealed team bag, or just a magnetic case with team bag would offer pretty much the same amount of protection. If you buy a box of Bowman for $75.00 and pull a Harper auto that lists for $700.00 ungraded in Beckett, isn't that profit enough?

No. There was a guy on here whose house flooded. A graded card slab would have saved them.

What if I ding the corner of your Harper and it's only worth $300? Isn't that profit enough? This is a capitalist economy. Don't preach to me about 'too much profit'.

messier2 · 08-31-2011, 09:54 AM

Those BGS slabs are like bricks. Take a look at this video:

BGS Card Holder - Can it stand up to the test? - YouTube

tonedef2oo8 · 08-31-2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tmoore_25

I think the whole grading thing is a con. Especially when it comes to many of the newer cards. I have seen quite a few cards that in my opinion should be a 10 and some lower.

What does your opinion have to do with their opinion?

dalemurphyfan · 08-31-2011, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

Am I the only one that sees a conflict of interest when the same company grades a card and has a price guide for the graded card?

Only if people paid attention to the price guide

dawger13 · 08-31-2011, 06:18 PM

I have never had cards graded and the reason that I have not is that I heard that if you send many cards in then you get better grades, or if you send alot of cards to beckett then you get better grades, does this not happen anymore?

Tyler · 08-31-2011, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dawger13

I have never had cards graded and the reason that I have not is that I heard that if you send many cards in then you get better grades, or if you send alot of cards to beckett then you get better grades, does this not happen anymore?

It never did.

mwheeler27 · 08-31-2011, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dawger13

I have never had cards graded and the reason that I have not is that I heard that if you send many cards in then you get better grades, or if you send alot of cards to beckett then you get better grades, does this not happen anymore?

Some people say if you hold a conch shell up to your ear, you can hear the ocean.

tmoore_25 · 09-01-2011, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyler

No. There was a guy on here whose house flooded. A graded card slab would have saved them.

What if I ding the corner of your Harper and it's only worth $300? Isn't that profit enough? This is a capitalist economy. Don't preach to me about 'too much profit'.

Sure his cards would have been saved by getting them slabbed. So here is what we are all going to do. We are going to send every card we own to Beckett to get slabbed, that way when the next flood comes and Noah has no more room for us we will be safe. It sucks but that was a once in a lifetime event for him. Hopefully.

300.00 for a card with a ding'd corner from a box that I paid 75.00 for. Sure that is a good deal if I were trying to sell it. I assume you are not just a collector but a person trying to profit from your cards?

08-29-2011, 01:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
romad97 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,396	Whats the deal with Beckett and all the 9 Autos lately I have been surfing around Ebay the past few days for some BC prospect autos and I have noticed a trend of a whole lot of 9 autos. A lot of these are actually clean looking autos. What is Beckett's deal lately with this?

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mikecancelliere Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 9,318 xMCSPORTSCARDSx	I've really only noticed it on Harper autos __________________ http://photobucket.com/albums/f251/mikecancelliere/BASEBALL BUYING ANY AND ALL CHROME RONALD GUZMAN! ALSO NEED ADDISON RUSSELL STERLING AUTOS!

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benshobbies Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Berkshire County, MA Posts: 3,710 benshobbies benshobbies	The only thing I hate about grading is customers that buy a high powered microscope like the ones that beckett has, than they buy a card from me that I list in NMT-MT condition or better. They say that the card is "Damaged," then they return the card when it has a speck of a scratch on the surface, or a tiny speck of chipping on the edges. It drives a seller of ungraded cards crazy when people are so darned bent on getting a Pristine 10 out of a card that I list at around in NMT-MT condition or better! __________________ "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" Supercollecting the Brooklyn Dodgers & Michael Egnew, Collecting Red Sox & Boston Celtics. Almost always buying with paypal!

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08-29-2011, 01:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
messier2 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,593	Scans? There could be some bubbling on the auto that is not clear on the scan...

08-29-2011, 01:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
tmoore_25 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 191	I think the whole grading thing is a con. Especially when it comes to many of the newer cards. I have seen quite a few cards that in my opinion should be a 10 and some lower. I think the big deal is with the 10's. The more Harper autos that they grade as a 10 would bring the value of them down due to the lack of rarity out there. I think it is there own way of controlling the value of the market. Just my 2 cents. Why would you pay above book value for a 2011 card that has been certified by someone else to be "mint" when the same ungraded card sitting next to it could be mint too and cost you less. Either way, if you are a collector and not a flipper you still have the card. I don't know, I just don't get the theory of grading new cards. Vintage is a different story because people just didn't take very good care of them and to find a high grade vintage card is rare. It might be off the topic but why do you feel the need to grade a brand new card other than to profit from it even more which is exactly what beckett wants in some cases.

08-29-2011, 02:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
messier2 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,593	Anything that can increase the sale price of my card...I'm all for it!

08-31-2011, 07:50 AM	#16 (permalink)
HadWayTooMuch Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,754	Am I the only one that sees a conflict of interest when the same company grades a card and has a price guide for the graded card?

08-31-2011, 09:54 AM	#19 (permalink)
messier2 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,593	Those BGS slabs are like bricks. Take a look at this video: BGS Card Holder - Can it stand up to the test? - YouTube

08-31-2011, 06:18 PM	#22 (permalink)
dawger13 Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 275 dawger13 dawger13	I have never had cards graded and the reason that I have not is that I heard that if you send many cards in then you get better grades, or if you send alot of cards to beckett then you get better grades, does this not happen anymore?