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Old 01-06-2012, 02:22 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Personally, I think the Harper centering looks good. If anything, L/R is off a hair.

Sleeves/Holders can distort the images sometimes. I sometimes have to scan a card "naked" to get it to show up accurately.
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Hate to break it to you RedSux2011 but your Douchebront is way off L to R, which is why it graded a 9. The Harper gold, I have enlarged and measured and it is a spot on 10 on the centering. I also have measured your card that you are whining about and like I said after first looking at it, it is off L to R.
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Hate to break it to you RedSux2011 but your Douchebront is way off L to R, which is why it graded a 9. The Harper gold, I have enlarged and measured and it is a spot on 10 on the centering. I also have measured your card that you are whining about and like I said after first looking at it, it is off L to R.
I concur. I also measured these and I think you were lucky not to get an 8.5 on your card there. That 9 was a gift. It is as plain as day for anyone in the know. Consider yourself lucky.
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Thanks for the laughs, boys. Funny stuff. LOL. Rhoude-ini, thanks. You are too much.

Tyson thought I didn't know the card was off L/R....man this guy is good for laughs. Anything else Tyson? LOL.

Tat: how on earth do you not see the Harper is off T/B?
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Hate to break it to you RedSux2011 but your Douchebront is way off L to R, which is why it graded a 9. The Harper gold, I have enlarged and measured and it is a spot on 10 on the centering. I also have measured your card that you are whining about and like I said after first looking at it, it is off L to R.
Proportionately, the Doubront is more centered L/R than the Harper is T/B (87% to 83%).

Any more comic relief for me?
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Old 01-06-2012, 05:01 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Proportionately, the Doubront is more centered L/R than the Harper is T/B (87% to 83%).

Any more comic relief for me?
Nope, I think your denial is enough for comic relief for everyone. That Doubront is off left to right.
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Nope, I think your denial is enough for comic relief for everyone. That Doubront is off left to right.
No kidding? Did I ever say it wasn't? Read the thread. Both are 9.5 on centering, so both subs are wrong.


How about this 9 on centering to save the overall gem grade?


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Now, revisit my initial question on the matter. CLEARLY one is a 10 and the other a 9, right? Or, er, wait a moment here. Perhaps the sleeve in the harper is skewing the proportions, but not in the Doubront, right? Funny guy this Tyson is. Funny indeed.

Or how about this 8 on centering, which BGS gave a 9? Makes the Doubront look like a 10, eh?

I don't like agreeing with redsox but the Harper and the Dubrount look very close to the same. The Dubrount stands out more because of the white border, but the Harper is off left to right.
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wahhhh I didnt get a 10
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Old 01-06-2012, 08:50 AM   #35 (permalink)
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wahhhh I didnt get a 10
dude, i always look forward to tonedef's posts, short sweet and *(&% YOU!!!

yeah seriously, i submitted a large order IMO, and did not get any 10's soon the scans will be up and redsox will have much more cannon-fodder.
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:23 AM   #36 (permalink)
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The centering on the Doubront looks better to me than the centering on the Harper but the Harper pic isn't of the best quality. I would trust Beckett grading over a very low quality photo.
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:49 AM   #37 (permalink)
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You're as blind as you are intelligent.
What does this mean exactly? He's extremely blind and extremely intelligent or not blind and not intelligent? Either way your attempt at a one-liner fails miserably.

There's no shame in quoting Oscar Wilde or something. Leave the homegrown zingers to the big boys.
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:59 AM   #38 (permalink)
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For all of you perfectionists out there, I would encourage you to send your resumes to askbgs@beckett.com and explain to them why you are suited to be better grader than what they have on staff.

Until then, keep in mind, its a human process - and you are going to be see differences in grades from different graders at different times.

I have submitted this card three times, check out the grades from each time - not one sub grade remains consistent all the way through:





It's not just BGS though, I have had cards come back from BGS as trimmed or restored like this one, but PSA had no problem grading it like this:

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Old 01-06-2012, 10:38 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Centering should be the easiest and most cut and dry sub grade there is.....
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Are we not in the 21st century?

Why can't surface flaws, centering, edges and corners be judged by a friggin computer instead of being subjected to human error?

You know why? Because BGS 10's wouldn't exist period, that's why.
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Are we not in the 21st century?

Why can't surface flaws, centering, edges and corners be judged by a friggin computer instead of being subjected to human error?

You know why? Because BGS 10's wouldn't exist period, that's why.
We have to still hand count votes for our presidential elections.
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clear the ego from your eyes and look again, sherlock:



Now, revisit my initial question on the matter. CLEARLY one is a 10 and the other a 9, right? Or, er, wait a moment here. Perhaps the sleeve in the harper is skewing the proportions, but not in the Doubront, right? Funny guy this Tyson is. Funny indeed.

Or how about this 8 on centering, which BGS gave a 9? Makes the Doubront look like a 10, eh?

That Taillon is actually not as bad as it looks. I saw it in person when the forum was orignally posted. The scan for some reason makes it look like a 8 when it could definately pass for a 9 if you had a chance to see it.
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Old 01-06-2012, 12:14 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Check out this new listing. How did Beckett give this a 10 for centering?

2011 Bowman Chrome Bryce Harper Gold Refractor Auto!!! BGS 9.5 w /10!!! 16/50!! | eBay
I can't tell that the centering would be off by looking at the picture but that is just me I guess! I'm not a big fan of graded cards because of all of the fees involved and I'm just fine with raw cards. I know that having a mint card does add more value probably than an ungraded card but I think a majority of a card's value to me comes from how rare the card is and also if it has an auto and game used piece on it. Just thought that I would express my opinion on this but anyways nice card!
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Old 01-06-2012, 12:19 PM   #44 (permalink)
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For all of you perfectionists out there, I would encourage you to send your resumes to askbgs@beckett.com and explain to them why you are suited to be better grader than what they have on staff.

Until then, keep in mind, its a human process - and you are going to be see differences in grades from different graders at different times.

I have submitted this card three times, check out the grades from each time - not one sub grade remains consistent all the way through:





It's not just BGS though, I have had cards come back from BGS as trimmed or restored like this one, but PSA had no problem grading it like this:

you should submit the Strasburg one more time...its definitely trending in the right direction (if the pics are in the order it was submitted).

nice card btw.
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you should submit the Strasburg one more time...its definitely trending in the right direction (if the pics are in the order it was submitted).

nice card btw.
Wow that is eye opening!!!!!!!
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Old 01-06-2012, 01:07 PM   #46 (permalink)
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After seeing the Centering grade float on the Strasburg. I am pissed, I thought they used a caliper when measuring but they are totally eyeing it up, lame.
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I guess what I'm most interested to know is what scanner settings Bradical is using to get such hi-res scans of his graded cards? I can never get high quality scans.

and yeah, they are eyeing up centering. I started a thread about this a while back and posted scans of two harpers i had graded...one got a 10 for centering, the other an 8.5, and when all was said and done and I had measured it using a loupe and such, the 8.5 actually had better overall centering
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Are we not in the 21st century?

Why can't surface flaws, centering, edges and corners be judged by a friggin computer instead of being subjected to human error?

You know why? Because BGS 10's wouldn't exist period, that's why.
In that respect....why can't EVERY SINGLE CARD MADE not be perfectly centered????

Seriously, if we do live in the 21st century, why can't card companies perfectly cut their cards????

Cuz it costs more money....
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Complain all you want...but people still go buy these graded card...so the grading company can do whatever they want..

as long as there is a market for it, they will graded...

as long as there is no repercussion of their inconsistencies, it will cost them less and make more money to be less "careful"...

Like redsox and the OP, "this is b/s grading and that is just terrible..." but yet they probably keep submitting cards to be graded... isn't that funny...

Just like some of us bash panini, but yet we keep going back to the well and hope it would be different next time... stop the crying and do something about it... I did with Panini....
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you can't judge centering from a camera pic, it can easily be skewed. a scan yeah but not a cam pic.
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