Removing Allen & Ginter/Gypsy Queen cards from their frames

dusen · 03-22-2012, 01:00 PM

I love the mini cards but I hate the frames. I have a good sized collection of Yankees relic cards removed from their frames. I re ally hate the look of the frames but love the classic look of the mini cards. The interesting thingI found when removing them is that they are not paper but a really nice plastic. Now I am not thinking about selling them since they are for a PC but I was wondering if they can be graded out of the frames and how much removing them hurts the value.

worldwidebrian · 03-22-2012, 01:59 PM

I imagine that ruins the value, but if it's for your PC then I wouldn't worry about it.

mmbtvs · 03-22-2012, 02:03 PM

You so crazy, I think I wanna have yo baby.

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EZACLY THAT · 03-22-2012, 02:23 PM

Mini cards in the frames are amazing looking. Even if they have the gay design that allen and ginter put on them every yr. To each their own tho. I know i pc any mini relic with the frame. And as brian said im pretty sure it ruins the value all together and doubt they would be able to be graded. Would prolly slab it for you as authentic but they wont grade it i dont think.

HawksBraves · 03-22-2012, 02:25 PM

I took a Todd helton relic out of the frame for shits and giggles, and actually really like the look of it without the frame...

Metsfan1121 · 03-22-2012, 02:26 PM

If you have any 2011 ginter frames lmk

tmpierced · 03-22-2012, 02:28 PM

I remove all my minis from the frames - I have had many of them graded. I had a 2002 pujols mini auto come back 9.5 with 10 auto. No worries , won't ruin value at all. BGS and PSA will grade after removal from frame.

Andrew Jones · 03-22-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tmpierced

I remove all my minis from the frames - I have had many of them graded. I had a 2002 pujols mini auto come back 9.5 with 10 auto. No worries , won't ruin value at all. BGS and PSA will grade after removal from frame.

I'm curious as to your basis for this. Do the minis removed from the frames sell for the same prices as the ones in it? If so, that is not what I would have expected.

tmpierced · 03-22-2012, 02:43 PM

Well I don't sell very often , I did buy a couple 2010 pujols mini autos from Topps 206 and I removed them both from the frames - paid 180 and 200 n change for them seperately. After I removed them I had them both raw graded at a show and they both recieved 9s with 10 autos. So I put one for sale on eBay and had a 275 offer but didn't get the 300 I wanted so they all went back in PC. I bought a 2002 pujols 206 auto for 180 that had a crease in the frame. Pulled that from the frame and it got a 9.5 with a 10 , I think it would sell for much more than the 180 I paid. So they are the reasons I'm making that statement that in my opinion removing won't hurt the value - in my cases it increased the value.

dusen · 03-22-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Metsfan1121

If you have any 2011 ginter frames lmk

Just the frames? I have a stack of them but obviously they are torn in the corner to get the card out. I guess they could be resealed.

dusen · 03-22-2012, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmpierced

Well I don't sell very often , I did buy a couple 2010 pujols mini autos from Topps 206 and I removed them both from the frames - paid 180 and 200 n change for them seperately. After I removed them I had them both raw graded at a show and they both recieved 9s with 10 autos. So I put one for sale on eBay and had a 275 offer but didn't get the 300 I wanted so they all went back in PC. I bought a 2002 pujols 206 auto for 180 that had a crease in the frame. Pulled that from the frame and it got a 9.5 with a 10 , I think it would sell for much more than the 180 I paid. So they are the reasons I'm making that statement that in my opinion removing won't hurt the value - in my cases it increased the value.

Takes some guts to remove those high value cards from the frames

I have a Cano auto coming and I am debating setting it free.

Metsfan1121 · 03-22-2012, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dusen

Just the frames? I have a stack of them but obviously they are torn in the corner to get the card out. I guess they could be resealed.

Oh I remove mine by sliding the card threw the top,I use the frames for customs

wkpeters3213 · 04-26-2012, 07:31 PM

Any tips on removing minis from the frame?

ETSC · 04-26-2012, 07:42 PM

Gave this thread a shout out, in a sense, in my recent article.

Topps Gypsy Queen Mini Relics Reveal Too Much to Collectors

the1runt · 04-26-2012, 10:28 PM

I personally don't care for the frames either. But they are there in the spirit of the original Allen & Ginters from the late 1880s, in fact that is a big part of why I love the product in general. The frame design (as lame as it may be) is the exact same design they used on framed cards from the originals. I wouldn't remove them from their frames, but who am i to judge if you do.

Carrbeaz · 04-26-2012, 10:47 PM

I did this with my 2011 Gypsy Queen Relics

vwnut13 · 04-27-2012, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by the1runt

I personally don't care for the frames either. But they are there in the spirit of the original Allen & Ginters from the late 1880s, in fact that is a big part of why I love the product in general. The frame design (as lame as it may be) is the exact same design they used on framed cards from the originals. I wouldn't remove them from their frames, but who am i to judge if you do.

Wait, are you trying to say that the A&G cards from the 1880s came in frames, or just that it is the same design from 2006?

the1runt · 04-27-2012, 06:22 AM

Sorry, I just reread my post and realized how poorly worded my comment was. No, I wasn't meaning to say anything about the original 1880's A&G having frames. In fact, now I can't even recall what it was I was trying to say.

IUjapander · 04-27-2012, 12:30 PM

As someone who is building the master sets of A&G relics and autos, this completely and 100% destroys all resale value in my eyes. Since it is for your PC, and you like it without the frames, then go for it. But it really pains me to hear that people are doing this (unless I already have the card, and then ruin away as it makes the print runs smaller).

For those that call the frames "gay"; The palm fronds being used in Allen & Ginter designs is over 130 years old. I believe they were taken from the image below. I can't tell you how disappointed I was to see the new design this year, because as far as I can tell it has no historic linkage to the original cards (and isn't that the whole point of the set?). Topps had plenty of sets that needed tweaking, but my collection might stop at 2011.

dusen · 04-27-2012, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wkpeters3213

Any tips on removing minis from the frame?

Just pull the top corner up...it comes up very easy.

wkpeters3213 · 04-27-2012, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dusen

Just pull the top corner up...it comes up very easy.

Thanks. I'm going to free my autos!

Metsfan- Let me know if you want the frames 2006-2010.

garpike · 09-11-2012, 11:52 PM

Thanks for the ideas! I think I might use a few of the 2012 frames for some Minis I am going to get TTM autos on. Very Cool!!

CubsFanInTX · 09-12-2012, 12:40 PM

From what I have read on this site, the card itself does not include the frame. Meaning, if you were to take the card out of the frame and get it graded it, the card would not be considered altered or damaged. However, as stated above, the resale value is likely killed by taking it out of the frame, because it would appeal to a much smaller audience.

03-22-2012, 01:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
dusen Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 160	Removing Allen & Ginter/Gypsy Queen cards from their frames I love the mini cards but I hate the frames. I have a good sized collection of Yankees relic cards removed from their frames. I re ally hate the look of the frames but love the classic look of the mini cards. The interesting thingI found when removing them is that they are not paper but a really nice plastic. Now I am not thinking about selling them since they are for a PC but I was wondering if they can be graded out of the frames and how much removing them hurts the value.

03-22-2012, 02:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
EZACLY THAT Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Georgia Posts: 535 zactothee	Mini cards in the frames are amazing looking. Even if they have the gay design that allen and ginter put on them every yr. To each their own tho. I know i pc any mini relic with the frame. And as brian said im pretty sure it ruins the value all together and doubt they would be able to be graded. Would prolly slab it for you as authentic but they wont grade it i dont think. __________________ Always looking for Julio Teheran, Tommy Hanson, Brian McCann, Kris Medlen, Andruw Jones, and Freddie Freeman!! Most Wanted: 2011 Topps Chrome Julio Teheran printing plates.

03-22-2012, 02:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
HawksBraves Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 311	I took a Todd helton relic out of the frame for shits and giggles, and actually really like the look of it without the frame... __________________ I collect Blackhawks and Braves. Always looking to add to the budding hockey collection.

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ETSC Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Longview, Texas Posts: 1,330 ShopVarsityCollectibles	Gave this thread a shout out, in a sense, in my recent article. Topps Gypsy Queen Mini Relics Reveal Too Much to Collectors __________________ Twitter: @VarsityCollect Photobucket: http://s1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg484/easttexassportscards1/VINCE%20-%20FOR%20SALE%20AND%20SOLD/ Always Looking For: Bob Gibson and Giancarlo Stanton

04-26-2012, 10:47 PM	#16 (permalink)
Carrbeaz Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,956 carrbeanz carrcards	I did this with my 2011 Gypsy Queen Relics __________________ Thanos Super Collector. Always buying Iron Man 55, Captain Marvel 33, Avengers Annual #7, Various other Bronze Age Thanos appearances.

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worldwidebrian Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 214 save_you	I imagine that ruins the value, but if it's for your PC then I wouldn't worry about it.

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mmbtvs Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 7,647	You so crazy, I think I wanna have yo baby. Salt-n-Pepa - Whatta Man ft. En Vogue (HQ Video) - YouTube

03-22-2012, 02:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
Metsfan1121 Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: long island Posts: 1,854	If you have any 2011 ginter frames lmk

03-22-2012, 02:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
tmpierced Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 59	I remove all my minis from the frames - I have had many of them graded. I had a 2002 pujols mini auto come back 9.5 with 10 auto. No worries , won't ruin value at all. BGS and PSA will grade after removal from frame.

03-22-2012, 02:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
tmpierced Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 59	Well I don't sell very often , I did buy a couple 2010 pujols mini autos from Topps 206 and I removed them both from the frames - paid 180 and 200 n change for them seperately. After I removed them I had them both raw graded at a show and they both recieved 9s with 10 autos. So I put one for sale on eBay and had a 275 offer but didn't get the 300 I wanted so they all went back in PC. I bought a 2002 pujols 206 auto for 180 that had a crease in the frame. Pulled that from the frame and it got a 9.5 with a 10 , I think it would sell for much more than the 180 I paid. So they are the reasons I'm making that statement that in my opinion removing won't hurt the value - in my cases it increased the value.

04-26-2012, 07:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
wkpeters3213 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: South Bay Posts: 70	Any tips on removing minis from the frame?

04-26-2012, 10:28 PM	#15 (permalink)
the1runt Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Bakersfield, CA Posts: 67 acdutt83	I personally don't care for the frames either. But they are there in the spirit of the original Allen & Ginters from the late 1880s, in fact that is a big part of why I love the product in general. The frame design (as lame as it may be) is the exact same design they used on framed cards from the originals. I wouldn't remove them from their frames, but who am i to judge if you do.

04-27-2012, 06:22 AM	#18 (permalink)
the1runt Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Bakersfield, CA Posts: 67 acdutt83	Sorry, I just reread my post and realized how poorly worded my comment was. No, I wasn't meaning to say anything about the original 1880's A&G having frames. In fact, now I can't even recall what it was I was trying to say.

04-27-2012, 12:30 PM	#19 (permalink)
IUjapander Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 76	As someone who is building the master sets of A&G relics and autos, this completely and 100% destroys all resale value in my eyes. Since it is for your PC, and you like it without the frames, then go for it. But it really pains me to hear that people are doing this (unless I already have the card, and then ruin away as it makes the print runs smaller). For those that call the frames "gay"; The palm fronds being used in Allen & Ginter designs is over 130 years old. I believe they were taken from the image below. I can't tell you how disappointed I was to see the new design this year, because as far as I can tell it has no historic linkage to the original cards (and isn't that the whole point of the set?). Topps had plenty of sets that needed tweaking, but my collection might stop at 2011.

09-11-2012, 11:52 PM	#22 (permalink)
garpike Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Middletown, Ohio Posts: 5,282 garpike28	Thanks for the ideas! I think I might use a few of the 2012 frames for some Minis I am going to get TTM autos on. Very Cool!! __________________ Blowout’s OFFICIAL * Bilal Powell * Collector!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -->Collects: NY Jets, $ Richardson, I Pead & T Pike<--

09-12-2012, 12:40 PM	#23 (permalink)
CubsFanInTX Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Carrollton (Dallas), TX Posts: 960 skullface21	From what I have read on this site, the card itself does not include the frame. Meaning, if you were to take the card out of the frame and get it graded it, the card would not be considered altered or damaged. However, as stated above, the resale value is likely killed by taking it out of the frame, because it would appeal to a much smaller audience.

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