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Old 09-07-2012, 08:39 AM   #26 (permalink)
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[QUOTE=brianbye;3275167]Naw, I disagree... When you place more value(money) on a guy expected to do more than guys that have done more I see a problem. Cause like any other gambling, the guys betting on the future lose more than they win.. When these people lose on their investments, they will leave the hobby. Just my opinion...[/QUOTE]

Vegas is doing pretty well I heard...

Gamblers find a way to come back even if they lose their shirt...it's always the mentality that it can only "get better from here" that drive them back to the casino's etc.
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Old 09-07-2012, 08:57 AM   #27 (permalink)
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The problem with our hobby.... By: Me... lol


It kills me everytime I compare card value. People pay 5k 10k for harpers, lawries, hosmers, ect.. I just bought an Al Kaline 6/25 (that's his jersey number btw) auto for $60 bucks. To be honest, I overpaid for it a few bucks (probably worth 40)

How is it that a miguel cabrera 2000 topps traded rc auto bgs 9 sells for 600-800 and some "has not done crap in the bigs yet kids card sells for 5k?"

Anyhow, done with my rant.... Just doesnt make sense!
miguel cabrera's rc auto sells for 700
bryce harpers prospect auto sells for $300 (but his parallels sell for $5k)

i get what you're saying.

Problem is:

Al Kaline has 1000's of autos out there, and has for a while. His collectors already own oodles of his signature. His rookie cards sell well in a high grade, with no auto, for $500-1000.

Ponder this:

Take Kaline (HOF'er) and put him with todays crop of rookies. Have him sign 2750 Bowman chrome cards. His base sells for $50. Say 18-20 years from now he has his .297 avg and 3007 hits. His base auto sells for $900. He is a fan favorite and gets into the HOF on his first vote. What do you think his prospect auto cards would be worth then? Especially when there are only 2750 of them. Collectors already own most of them and the ones "available" in circulation are few and far between...

now, he get's inducted and it's a big deal, he's on ESPN and all those fancy TV shows. How much would his prospect autos be then? $1500-2000? you tell me, because i sure as hell do not know.

we DO know that Pujols prospect autos (as limited as they are with <500 copies) are selling for $3500-6000 and UP... unless he has some huge issue with PED's or kills some kid in Indiana... they ARE NOT getting cheaper.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:22 AM   #28 (permalink)
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miguel cabrera's rc auto sells for 700
bryce harpers prospect auto sells for $300 (but his parallels sell for $5k)

i get what you're saying.

Problem is:

Al Kaline has 1000's of autos out there, and has for a while. His collectors already own oodles of his signature. His rookie cards sell well in a high grade, with no auto, for $500-1000.

Ponder this:

Take Kaline (HOF'er) and put him with todays crop of rookies. Have him sign 2750 Bowman chrome cards. His base sells for $50. Say 18-20 years from now he has his .297 avg and 3007 hits. His base auto sells for $900. He is a fan favorite and gets into the HOF on his first vote. What do you think his prospect auto cards would be worth then? Especially when there are only 2750 of them. Collectors already own most of them and the ones "available" in circulation are few and far between...

now, he get's inducted and it's a big deal, he's on ESPN and all those fancy TV shows. How much would his prospect autos be then? $1500-2000? you tell me, because i sure as hell do not know.

we DO know that Pujols prospect autos (as limited as they are with <500 copies) are selling for $3500-6000 and UP... unless he has some huge issue with PED's or kills some kid in Indiana... they ARE NOT getting cheaper.
Why would Pujols ever step foot in Indiana
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Old 09-07-2012, 10:38 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Why would Pujols ever step foot in Indiana
Why did you think that was the point of that post?
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No business in the big leagues yet..
can you elaborate? i'd really like to hear something convincing to back up this talk
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can you elaborate? i'd really like to hear something convincing to back up this talk
Me too please.
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The problem with our hobby.... By: Me... lol


It kills me everytime I compare card value. People pay 5k 10k for harpers, lawries, hosmers, ect.. I just bought an Al Kaline 6/25 (that's his jersey number btw) auto for $60 bucks. To be honest, I overpaid for it a few bucks (probably worth 40)

How is it that a miguel cabrera 2000 topps traded rc auto bgs 9 sells for 600-800 and some "has not done crap in the bigs yet kids card sells for 5k?"

Anyhow, done with my rant.... Just doesnt make sense!
Yes, becuase RC autographs are completely the same as mass produced autographs (probably sticker) of HOFers


A PSA 8 Al Kaline RC sells for $1750


1954 Topps #201 Al Kaline Rookie RC HOF Detroit Tigers PSA 8 NM-MT CENTERED | eBay

A PSA 10 Harper RC sells for what, $40?

His mass produced autographs that will continue to be produced even after he dies (say thanks to stickers) will never increase in price. His RCs however, will.


So if thats how you are looking at this hobby from a value standpoint, you've got it all wrong.
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Yes, becuase RC autographs are completely the same as mass produced autographs (probably sticker) of HOFers


A PSA 8 Al Kaline RC sells for $1750


1954 Topps #201 Al Kaline Rookie RC HOF Detroit Tigers PSA 8 NM-MT CENTERED | eBay

A PSA 10 Harper RC sells for what, $40?

His mass produced autographs that will continue to be produced even after he dies (say thanks to stickers) will never increase in price. His RCs however, will.


So if thats how you are looking at this hobby from a value standpoint, you've got it all wrong.
Agreed
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geez , i hope he at least gets a hit tonight .
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He should be benched for tonight.
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