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08-17-2012, 01:31 PM
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08-17-2012, 01:34 PM
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That said, Trout's season is truly unprecedented. What Cabrera has done the past 10 years doesn't matter because we are only talking about a brief window of time that lasts between April 2012 and September 2012. Trout could very well flame out next year (I don't expect him to) and he's got a long way to go before we can tag him as durable as Cabrera, but the state of these players in 10 years will have no bearing on the writers when they cast their votes this fall.
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08-17-2012, 01:41 PM
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08-17-2012, 01:42 PM
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08-17-2012, 01:43 PM
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08-17-2012, 01:46 PM
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08-17-2012, 01:52 PM
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Oh my, that is a terrible article. I usually don't click bleacherreport since it's #@#@#@#@ but considering the number of pages this thread is at...
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08-17-2012, 02:01 PM
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OP gives knowledgeable Detroit fans everywhere a bad name. I am going to imagine you are 13, so I feel like there is justification for your sports homer ignorance.
Last edited by iluvfish2; 08-17-2012 at 05:08 PM. Reason: no name calling or insults - fine by me |
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08-17-2012, 02:44 PM
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well last week or so when this same argument was happening Trout was sitting at .348 and Miggy at .321 or so....now it is .340 to .327....he cut it in half in a week....like i said in that thread i think if Miggy passes him and wins the batting crown(along with RBI and maybe HR) then he should win easily...and i do get annoyed with all the WAR fanboys....if that is all that matters which is all i ever see then why do we even keep track of other stats...i mean geez guys...its the MVP, you guys really think that almost all of the voters are gonna use regular old stats and then as maybe a tie breaker they resort to WAR and all the other 3-letter stats....
long story short, Trout is amazing....Miggy is amazing...i say it ends up goin to 1. team that makes playoffs, 2. batting title winner, 3. if miggy wins trip crown he is a shoe in... odds are trout wins, but i could also see alot of writers vote for miggy or cano just cuz they dont want to vote for a 20yr old kid... still 40gms left tho!!! ton of time...if trout ends up at like .328 and miggy .335 with 135rbi...miggy will win...just my guess... |
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08-17-2012, 02:59 PM
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08-17-2012, 03:27 PM
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08-17-2012, 03:34 PM
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08-17-2012, 03:51 PM
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those arent my points...im saying that is how voters still gauge it...me or you do not know voters...just cuz you like all the new ways to show stats and new stats/methods...does not mean that they use these above all else like people seem to think.... im guessing that majority of writers that get an MVP vote do not like all the new stats and stuff and are still majorly looking at avg/rbi/hr/runs/obp/slug....then maybe they look at WAR and all the other stuff...and if the team makes the playoffs or not...if WAR was all that mattered then there would not need to be a vote since we would know the winner right away by that stat alone... and yea i do think if miggy catches trout in AVG(and ends up with 135rbi) than ppl will look it as "well miggy did it all yr and trout faded down the stretch" which will be even more notable if the halos miss the playoffs.... i always find these threads so confusing tho....how can I be wrong? Or how can you be wrong? arent these just our opinions?? u weigh WAR ahead of all else...i dont...that is my choice and opinion to do so... |
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08-17-2012, 05:06 PM
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08-17-2012, 08:30 PM
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To put that in perspective, guys that can provide +2 WAR (the difference between Trout and Miggy) get huge multi-year contracts. Trout's providing Miggy's value PLUS the value of another semi-star caliber player. It may well get closer before the end of the year, but it sure as hell isn't very close right now. |
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08-17-2012, 08:42 PM
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08-17-2012, 08:48 PM
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08-17-2012, 09:22 PM
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I think most people who follow sabermetrics would be the first to admit that WAR is far from being a perfect stat. That being said, despite it's flaws it's a pretty good measure of a players contribution to a team and their value. Not only is it pretty good, it's infinitely better than using context dependent stats such as RBI's, SB, BA, etc that don't actually mean anything. People who are making MVP arguments based solely on offensive numbers is pointless. Just because defense isn't glorified like offensive doesn't mean it's not important. So, if you can quantify both offensive & defensive performance in an objective way, why wouldn't you? It simply doesn't make any sense to not. Because the reality is that someone who makes offensive contributions & defensive contributions is a more valuable player than someone who just does one of them (i.e. Miguel Cabrera). Not to mention, simply talking about offensive numbers is pointless, because offensive numbers across positions are not equal. Keith Law & Eric Karabell were talking about it on Tuesday's Baseball Today Podcast.
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08-17-2012, 09:45 PM
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08-17-2012, 09:56 PM
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WAR and QBR...my head hurts.
Would just like to add that Cabrera is only about 10 points under trout in BA right now. Just sayin.' Neither is a lock right now, IMO...Trout trumps cabrera in defense, but cabrera is putting up some incredible power and average numbers right now. Will be interesting to see where they both end up at the end of the year. |
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