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CALVINXLIONSX81 08-17-2012 12:16 PM

Why Cabrera is better than Trout
 
[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1298881-detroit-tigers-4-reasons-miguel-cabrera-is-a-lock-for-mvp]Detroit Tigers: 4 Reasons Miguel Cabrera Is a Lock for MVP | Bleacher Report[/url]

yes its bleacher report but this will be an eye Opener to how good the guy really is, and considering his fielding % is 2nd among 3rd baseman, he will be the MVP :)!

metsandweezer 08-17-2012 12:17 PM

i agree cabrera is very underrated and he will win the mvp, trout will win the al roy.

CALVINXLIONSX81 08-17-2012 12:18 PM

[QUOTE=metsandweezer;3156522]i agree cabrera is very underrated and he will win the mvp, trout will win the al roy.[/QUOTE]

The Trout ROY thing is a no brainer lol

7290morint 08-17-2012 12:19 PM

LOL at any article that sites RBI's as why someone is the best hitter in baseball. Also LOL at bleacher report which I'm sure writes things just to garner page views.

Edit: they use all the statistics that do not matter & do not actually measure any meaningful performance. Can't wait to see Trout win ROY & MVP.

JohnAndrew 08-17-2012 12:20 PM

Eh...Bleacher Report...there are a few good points, but this little gem right here?

[B][I]This season, Cabrera is head-and-shoulders ahead of the competition.[/I][/B]

No, no, no, no, NO, NO, NO, NO. He is at the top of the pack -- he is NOT a runaway favorite though.

CALVINXLIONSX81 08-17-2012 12:21 PM

[QUOTE=7290morint;3156526]LOL at any article that sites RBI's as why someone is the best hitter in baseball. Also LOL at bleacher report which I'm sure writes things just to garner page views.[/QUOTE]

Let me guess you think Trout or Mauer are the best hitters, Cabrera is top 5 in every offensive category

CALVINXLIONSX81 08-17-2012 12:22 PM

[QUOTE=JohnAndrew;3156531]Eh...Bleacher Report...there are a few good points, but this little gem right here?

[B][I]This season, Cabrera is head-and-shoulders ahead of the competition.[/I][/B]

No, no, no, no, NO, NO, NO, NO. He is at the top of the pack -- [B]he is NOT a runaway favorite though[/B].[/QUOTE]

i totally agree with your point, it will be close but Cabrera should be the MVP

also note that Trout' Batting average is dropping each day

BostonNut 08-17-2012 12:23 PM

This.

OP is just a homer who refuses to believe sports exist outside of Detroit.

DAVID ORTIZ FOR MVP!!!! :flex::flex::flex::flex::flex:

[QUOTE=7290morint;3156526]LOL at any article that sites RBI's as why someone is the best hitter in baseball. Also LOL at bleacher report which I'm sure writes things just to garner page views.[/QUOTE]

7290morint 08-17-2012 12:23 PM

[QUOTE=CALVINXLIONSX81;3156532]Let me guess you think Trout or Mauer are the best hitters, Cabrera is top 5 in every offensive category[/QUOTE]

I'm not just looking at offensive categories. Wins Above Replacement (WAR) shows that Trout IS the best player in the AL and it's not disputable. You want a debate go elsewhere, WAR shows that there is no debate. It's Trout and it's end of discussion. It's now possible to measure offensive & defensive production & when you take them into account it's trout. Why would you base MVP on only offensive contributions, especially when offensive contributions are not equal around the board.

lambeauleap87 08-17-2012 12:23 PM

[QUOTE=7290morint;3156526]LOL at any article that sites RBI's as why someone is the best hitter in baseball. Also LOL at bleacher report which I'm sure writes things just to garner page views.

Edit: they use all the statistics that do not matter & do not actually measure any meaningful performance. Can't wait to see Trout win ROY & MVP.[/QUOTE]

I concur.

[QUOTE=CALVINXLIONSX81;3156537]i totally agree with your point, it will be close but Cabrera should be the MVP

also note that Trout' Batting average is dropping each day[/QUOTE]

LOL at the batting average note.

CALVINXLIONSX81 08-17-2012 12:23 PM

[QUOTE=BostonNut;3156544]This.

OP is just a homer who refuses to believe sports exist outside of Detroit.

DAVID ORTIZ FOR MVP!!!! :flex::flex::flex::flex::flex:[/QUOTE]

Ortiz is a scrub

a-train10 08-17-2012 12:26 PM

Come on man, you are really going to start this again? We all know you want Miggy to win the MVP. We do, WE ALL KNOW. The fact is, it's closer than what you want it to be, and Trout is ahead of Miguel in most important categories.

Just let it go. Enjoy the performance Trout is putting up, it really is quite remarkable.

Trimarchi 08-17-2012 12:27 PM

[QUOTE=CALVINXLIONSX81;3156550]Ortiz is a scrub[/QUOTE]

ur a scrub...ortiz is far from it

CALVINXLIONSX81 08-17-2012 12:27 PM

[QUOTE=a-train10;3156562]Come on man, you are really going to start this again? We all know you want Miggy to win the MVP. We do, WE ALL KNOW. The fact is, it's closer than what you want it to be, and Trout is ahead of Miguel in most important categories.

Just let it go. Enjoy the performance Trout is putting up, it really is quite remarkable.[/QUOTE]

Trout is ahead of Miggy in all the important categories, name them please

CALVINXLIONSX81 08-17-2012 12:28 PM

[QUOTE=Trimarchi;3156572]ur a scrub...ortiz is far from it[/QUOTE]

please use correct grammer, as in scrub i mean somebody who is past his prime who should retire already

7290morint 08-17-2012 12:29 PM

[QUOTE=CALVINXLIONSX81;3156573]Trout is ahead of Miggy in all the important categories, name them please[/QUOTE]

Wins Above Replacement, Trout is at 7.0 & Cabrera is at 5.1, he's been worth almost 2 wins more to the Angels than Cabrera has been to the Tigers. End of discussion. Even Cano is ahead of Cabrera. Trout has a higher walk % at 9.3, Cabrera at 9.0, Trout has a higher OBP, higher Average, higher wOBA, higher wRC+, just look at the table I provided below. A ton of categories & ones that actually matter too!

[url=http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=al&qual=y&type=8&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=&age=&filter=&players=]American League Leaderboards 2012 Batters Dashboard | FanGraphs Baseball[/url]

Trimarchi 08-17-2012 12:29 PM

yea i know batting .316 this year with 23 homers and he missed the last 5 weeks...yea he sucks

CALVINXLIONSX81 08-17-2012 12:30 PM

[QUOTE=7290morint;3156578]Wins Above Replacement, Trout is at 7.0 & Cabrera is at 5.1, he's been worth almost 2 wins more to the Angels than Cabrera has been to the Tigers. End of discussion. Even Cano is ahead of Cabrera.

[url=http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=al&qual=y&type=8&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=&age=&filter=&players=]American League Leaderboards 2012 Batters Dashboard | FanGraphs Baseball[/url][/QUOTE]

Nice job, thats your only argument

Trimarchi 08-17-2012 12:30 PM

OP has no idea what hes talking about...just leave this stiff alone with his assinine comments

CALVINXLIONSX81 08-17-2012 12:31 PM

[QUOTE=Trimarchi;3156581]yea i know batting .316 this year with 23 homers and he missed the last 5 weeks...yea he sucks[/QUOTE]

did i say he sucked, no

a-train10 08-17-2012 12:31 PM

[QUOTE=7290morint;3156548]I'm not just looking at offensive categories. [B]Wins Above Replacement (WAR)[/B] shows that Trout IS the best player in the AL and it's not disputable. You want a debate go elsewhere, WAR shows that there is no debate. It's Trout and it's end of discussion. It's now possible to measure offensive & defensive production & when you take them into account it's trout. Why would you base MVP on only offensive contributions, especially when offensive contributions are not equal around the board.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CALVINXLIONSX81;3156573]Trout is ahead of Miggy in [B]all[/B] the important categories, name them please[/QUOTE]

Where did I say all? Don't put words in my mouth. :confused:

Second, it's right there for you. Nobody cares about homeruns or RBI's when it comes to the MVP vote. WAR is what they look at.

Hell, just hold all this stuff until the end of the year, and if he wins, post all your crap wherever you want. We don't need the same discussion EVERY SINGLE DAY.

JohnAndrew 08-17-2012 12:31 PM

[QUOTE=CALVINXLIONSX81;3156584]Nice job, thats your only argument[/QUOTE]

WAR is the best argument anyone can make...and he's done it in 20 less games than Cabrera.

7290morint 08-17-2012 12:32 PM

[QUOTE=CALVINXLIONSX81;3156584]Nice job, thats your only argument[/QUOTE]

It's also the only one that matters, but go ahead keep spewing your non-sense and citing "bleacher report". You should also look at the chart and see all the categories that Trout is ahead of Cabrera in, but my guess is you don't want to. You only want to look at arguments that favor Cabrera which come from bleacher report.

BostonNut 08-17-2012 12:32 PM

So when Miguel Cabrera is 35 and half in the bag every game and is hitting over .300 with 20+ home runs you want him to retire? :confused::confused::confused:

What am I missing here? :confused::confused::confused:

[QUOTE=CALVINXLIONSX81;3156588]did i say he sucked, no[/QUOTE]

whywhy 08-17-2012 12:33 PM

[QUOTE=7290morint;3156548]I'm not just looking at offensive categories. Wins Above Replacement (WAR) shows that Trout IS the best player in the AL and it's not disputable. You want a debate go elsewhere, WAR shows that there is no debate. It's Trout and it's end of discussion. It's now possible to measure offensive & defensive production & when you take them into account it's trout. Why would you base MVP on only offensive contributions, especially when offensive contributions are not equal around the board.[/QUOTE]

+++++++++++1

trot is leading cabrera by 2 points :eek:

also everyone forgets that trout has[SIZE="3"][B] 38[/B][/SIZE] stolen bases

trout also leads cabrera in OBP and Base on ball %


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