Blowout Cards Forums www.blowoutcards.com     

Go Back   Blowout Cards Forums > BLOWOUTS HOBBY TALK > BASEBALL
Why Cabrera is better than Trout Why Cabrera is better than Trout
Register FAQ My iTrader Forum Rules Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

BASEBALL Post your Baseball Cards Hobby Talk

Reply
Page 1 of 5 1 2345
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-17-2012, 12:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
Member
 
CALVINXLIONSX81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,541
Default Why Cabrera is better than Trout
Detroit Tigers: 4 Reasons Miguel Cabrera Is a Lock for MVP | Bleacher Report

yes its bleacher report but this will be an eye Opener to how good the guy really is, and considering his fielding % is 2nd among 3rd baseman, he will be the MVP
__________________
Sell Me your Khris Middleton
Ziggy is the Ansah!
I Get Jiggy for Ziggy!
CALVINXLIONSX81 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
Member
 
metsandweezer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Las Vegas....We NEED A Baseball Team!
Posts: 4,584
Default
i agree cabrera is very underrated and he will win the mvp, trout will win the al roy.
__________________
If you don't like pie, we need to have a talk.
metsandweezer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
Member
 
CALVINXLIONSX81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,541
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by metsandweezer View Post
i agree cabrera is very underrated and he will win the mvp, trout will win the al roy.
The Trout ROY thing is a no brainer lol
__________________
Sell Me your Khris Middleton
Ziggy is the Ansah!
I Get Jiggy for Ziggy!
CALVINXLIONSX81 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:19 PM   #4 (permalink)
Member
 
7290morint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 5,782
Default
LOL at any article that sites RBI's as why someone is the best hitter in baseball. Also LOL at bleacher report which I'm sure writes things just to garner page views.

Edit: they use all the statistics that do not matter & do not actually measure any meaningful performance. Can't wait to see Trout win ROY & MVP.
__________________
Looking for 2011 Topps Tribute Black Refractors #'d/10: 62/100 so far
Last edited by 7290morint; 08-17-2012 at 12:22 PM.
7290morint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:20 PM   #5 (permalink)
Member
 
JohnAndrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: ZOO York!
Posts: 4,387
Default
Eh...Bleacher Report...there are a few good points, but this little gem right here?

This season, Cabrera is head-and-shoulders ahead of the competition.

No, no, no, no, NO, NO, NO, NO. He is at the top of the pack -- he is NOT a runaway favorite though.
__________________
The Latest, Greatest Hits From the Blowout Brain Trust
"There's no room for ridiculous fads like twitter in baseball cards."
"I'm sorry but strikeouts mean absolutely nothing."
"Man, you must really have a huge inferior complex issue."
JohnAndrew is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:21 PM   #6 (permalink)
Member
 
CALVINXLIONSX81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,541
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by 7290morint View Post
LOL at any article that sites RBI's as why someone is the best hitter in baseball. Also LOL at bleacher report which I'm sure writes things just to garner page views.
Let me guess you think Trout or Mauer are the best hitters, Cabrera is top 5 in every offensive category
__________________
Sell Me your Khris Middleton
Ziggy is the Ansah!
I Get Jiggy for Ziggy!
CALVINXLIONSX81 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:22 PM   #7 (permalink)
Member
 
CALVINXLIONSX81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,541
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnAndrew View Post
Eh...Bleacher Report...there are a few good points, but this little gem right here?

This season, Cabrera is head-and-shoulders ahead of the competition.

No, no, no, no, NO, NO, NO, NO. He is at the top of the pack -- he is NOT a runaway favorite though.
i totally agree with your point, it will be close but Cabrera should be the MVP

also note that Trout' Batting average is dropping each day
__________________
Sell Me your Khris Middleton
Ziggy is the Ansah!
I Get Jiggy for Ziggy!
CALVINXLIONSX81 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:23 PM   #8 (permalink)
Inactive Account
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 9,966
Default
This.

OP is just a homer who refuses to believe sports exist outside of Detroit.

DAVID ORTIZ FOR MVP!!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by 7290morint View Post
LOL at any article that sites RBI's as why someone is the best hitter in baseball. Also LOL at bleacher report which I'm sure writes things just to garner page views.
BostonNut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:23 PM   #9 (permalink)
Member
 
7290morint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 5,782
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by CALVINXLIONSX81 View Post
Let me guess you think Trout or Mauer are the best hitters, Cabrera is top 5 in every offensive category
I'm not just looking at offensive categories. Wins Above Replacement (WAR) shows that Trout IS the best player in the AL and it's not disputable. You want a debate go elsewhere, WAR shows that there is no debate. It's Trout and it's end of discussion. It's now possible to measure offensive & defensive production & when you take them into account it's trout. Why would you base MVP on only offensive contributions, especially when offensive contributions are not equal around the board.
__________________
Looking for 2011 Topps Tribute Black Refractors #'d/10: 62/100 so far
7290morint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:23 PM   #10 (permalink)
Member
 
lambeauleap87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 5,439
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by 7290morint View Post
LOL at any article that sites RBI's as why someone is the best hitter in baseball. Also LOL at bleacher report which I'm sure writes things just to garner page views.

Edit: they use all the statistics that do not matter & do not actually measure any meaningful performance. Can't wait to see Trout win ROY & MVP.
I concur.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CALVINXLIONSX81 View Post
i totally agree with your point, it will be close but Cabrera should be the MVP

also note that Trout' Batting average is dropping each day
LOL at the batting average note.
__________________
"Opening Day is coming soon, and even Obama can't take that away."
Offering a Finder's Fee for the 2012 Topps Orange Jason Kipnis Parallel /190
I collect Packers, former Ohio State Buckeyes, Blue Jackets, and Indians.
lambeauleap87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:23 PM   #11 (permalink)
Member
 
CALVINXLIONSX81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,541
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by BostonNut View Post
This.

OP is just a homer who refuses to believe sports exist outside of Detroit.

DAVID ORTIZ FOR MVP!!!!
Ortiz is a scrub
__________________
Sell Me your Khris Middleton
Ziggy is the Ansah!
I Get Jiggy for Ziggy!
CALVINXLIONSX81 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:26 PM   #12 (permalink)
Member
 
a-train10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: IL
Posts: 8,157
Default
Come on man, you are really going to start this again? We all know you want Miggy to win the MVP. We do, WE ALL KNOW. The fact is, it's closer than what you want it to be, and Trout is ahead of Miguel in most important categories.

Just let it go. Enjoy the performance Trout is putting up, it really is quite remarkable.
__________________
Bucket: http://s1085.photobucket.com/albums/j436/HamiltonTexas31/
I only ship to confirmed US addresses. Sorry to all out of US collectors.
Quote of the day, brought to you by CALVINXLIONSX81:
"In all honesty his post makes absolutely no sense and you can interpret either way. '<<< 1k', you can see it as Less than or more than 1k."
a-train10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:27 PM   #13 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 954
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by CALVINXLIONSX81 View Post
Ortiz is a scrub
ur a scrub...ortiz is far from it
Trimarchi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:27 PM   #14 (permalink)
Member
 
CALVINXLIONSX81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,541
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by a-train10 View Post
Come on man, you are really going to start this again? We all know you want Miggy to win the MVP. We do, WE ALL KNOW. The fact is, it's closer than what you want it to be, and Trout is ahead of Miguel in most important categories.

Just let it go. Enjoy the performance Trout is putting up, it really is quite remarkable.
Trout is ahead of Miggy in all the important categories, name them please
__________________
Sell Me your Khris Middleton
Ziggy is the Ansah!
I Get Jiggy for Ziggy!
CALVINXLIONSX81 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:28 PM   #15 (permalink)
Member
 
CALVINXLIONSX81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,541
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trimarchi View Post
ur a scrub...ortiz is far from it
please use correct grammer, as in scrub i mean somebody who is past his prime who should retire already
__________________
Sell Me your Khris Middleton
Ziggy is the Ansah!
I Get Jiggy for Ziggy!
CALVINXLIONSX81 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:29 PM   #16 (permalink)
Member
 
7290morint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 5,782
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by CALVINXLIONSX81 View Post
Trout is ahead of Miggy in all the important categories, name them please
Wins Above Replacement, Trout is at 7.0 & Cabrera is at 5.1, he's been worth almost 2 wins more to the Angels than Cabrera has been to the Tigers. End of discussion. Even Cano is ahead of Cabrera. Trout has a higher walk % at 9.3, Cabrera at 9.0, Trout has a higher OBP, higher Average, higher wOBA, higher wRC+, just look at the table I provided below. A ton of categories & ones that actually matter too!

American League Leaderboards 2012 Batters Dashboard | FanGraphs Baseball
__________________
Looking for 2011 Topps Tribute Black Refractors #'d/10: 62/100 so far
7290morint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:29 PM   #17 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 954
Default
yea i know batting .316 this year with 23 homers and he missed the last 5 weeks...yea he sucks
Trimarchi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:30 PM   #18 (permalink)
Member
 
CALVINXLIONSX81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,541
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by 7290morint View Post
Wins Above Replacement, Trout is at 7.0 & Cabrera is at 5.1, he's been worth almost 2 wins more to the Angels than Cabrera has been to the Tigers. End of discussion. Even Cano is ahead of Cabrera.

American League Leaderboards 2012 Batters Dashboard | FanGraphs Baseball
Nice job, thats your only argument
__________________
Sell Me your Khris Middleton
Ziggy is the Ansah!
I Get Jiggy for Ziggy!
CALVINXLIONSX81 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:30 PM   #19 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 954
Default
OP has no idea what hes talking about...just leave this stiff alone with his assinine comments
Trimarchi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:31 PM   #20 (permalink)
Member
 
CALVINXLIONSX81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,541
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trimarchi View Post
yea i know batting .316 this year with 23 homers and he missed the last 5 weeks...yea he sucks
did i say he sucked, no
__________________
Sell Me your Khris Middleton
Ziggy is the Ansah!
I Get Jiggy for Ziggy!
CALVINXLIONSX81 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:31 PM   #21 (permalink)
Member
 
a-train10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: IL
Posts: 8,157
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by 7290morint View Post
I'm not just looking at offensive categories. Wins Above Replacement (WAR) shows that Trout IS the best player in the AL and it's not disputable. You want a debate go elsewhere, WAR shows that there is no debate. It's Trout and it's end of discussion. It's now possible to measure offensive & defensive production & when you take them into account it's trout. Why would you base MVP on only offensive contributions, especially when offensive contributions are not equal around the board.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CALVINXLIONSX81 View Post
Trout is ahead of Miggy in all the important categories, name them please
Where did I say all? Don't put words in my mouth.

Second, it's right there for you. Nobody cares about homeruns or RBI's when it comes to the MVP vote. WAR is what they look at.

Hell, just hold all this stuff until the end of the year, and if he wins, post all your crap wherever you want. We don't need the same discussion EVERY SINGLE DAY.
__________________
Bucket: http://s1085.photobucket.com/albums/j436/HamiltonTexas31/
I only ship to confirmed US addresses. Sorry to all out of US collectors.
Quote of the day, brought to you by CALVINXLIONSX81:
"In all honesty his post makes absolutely no sense and you can interpret either way. '<<< 1k', you can see it as Less than or more than 1k."
a-train10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:31 PM   #22 (permalink)
Member
 
JohnAndrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: ZOO York!
Posts: 4,387
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by CALVINXLIONSX81 View Post
Nice job, thats your only argument
WAR is the best argument anyone can make...and he's done it in 20 less games than Cabrera.
__________________
The Latest, Greatest Hits From the Blowout Brain Trust
"There's no room for ridiculous fads like twitter in baseball cards."
"I'm sorry but strikeouts mean absolutely nothing."
"Man, you must really have a huge inferior complex issue."
JohnAndrew is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:32 PM   #23 (permalink)
Member
 
7290morint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 5,782
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by CALVINXLIONSX81 View Post
Nice job, thats your only argument
It's also the only one that matters, but go ahead keep spewing your non-sense and citing "bleacher report". You should also look at the chart and see all the categories that Trout is ahead of Cabrera in, but my guess is you don't want to. You only want to look at arguments that favor Cabrera which come from bleacher report.
__________________
Looking for 2011 Topps Tribute Black Refractors #'d/10: 62/100 so far
7290morint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:32 PM   #24 (permalink)
Inactive Account
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 9,966
Default
So when Miguel Cabrera is 35 and half in the bag every game and is hitting over .300 with 20+ home runs you want him to retire?

What am I missing here?

Quote:
Originally Posted by CALVINXLIONSX81 View Post
did i say he sucked, no
BostonNut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:33 PM   #25 (permalink)
Member
 
whywhy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 3,162
Send a message via AIM to whywhy
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by 7290morint View Post
I'm not just looking at offensive categories. Wins Above Replacement (WAR) shows that Trout IS the best player in the AL and it's not disputable. You want a debate go elsewhere, WAR shows that there is no debate. It's Trout and it's end of discussion. It's now possible to measure offensive & defensive production & when you take them into account it's trout. Why would you base MVP on only offensive contributions, especially when offensive contributions are not equal around the board.
+++++++++++1

trot is leading cabrera by 2 points

also everyone forgets that trout has 38 stolen bases

trout also leads cabrera in OBP and Base on ball %
__________________
PC=Jimmy Rollins
whywhy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 1 of 5 1 2345

Bookmarks

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:16 PM.

Contact Us - Today's Posts - www.blowoutcards.com - Archive - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO
Copyright © 2012, Blowout Cards Inc.