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Old 08-19-2012, 01:24 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Not a bad article:
2012 NL Cy Young Belongs to the Cincinnati Reds, but Who Will Win It? | Bleacher Report

As a Reds fan Im a tad biased. Dickey has had an amazing season dont get me wrong. We saw with his last start maybe his stats wouldnt be close to Cuetos pitching in GABP?
Come on don't quote bleacher report
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Old 08-19-2012, 01:24 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I'd rather see Dickey win it
Why Dickey over Cueto.. Just curious
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Old 08-19-2012, 01:25 PM   #28 (permalink)
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It'd be terrible to see Dickey win. Cueto is having a better season and Is on an actual meaningful team unlike the mets...
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Come on don't quote bleacher report
LOL... Probably need to start wagering based off their college fb predictions as well..
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It's going to be close. I'd say it'll either be Cueto or Dickey, but Strasburg / Gio could challenge (maybe not Stas if he gets shut down).

And please, no one (else) make the unbelievably stupid argument about "leading his team to the playoffs."
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It'd be terrible to see Dickey win. Cueto is having a better season and Is on an actual meaningful team unlike the mets...
That didn't take long.
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Old 08-19-2012, 01:27 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I'd rather see Dickey win it
he will win it......thats a bet....oldest pitcher to win a CY YOUNG in years
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Old 08-19-2012, 01:28 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Cueto.. Better ERA, More Wins, better WAR...

Cueto is in a Pennant chase and winning games. Who knows this guy could be an MVP depending on the rest of the season. You just never know
He has 7% more wins and 50% more losses.
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For what it's worth, Dickey's xFIP is better than Cueto's, so it wouldn't be surprising to see Cueto regress a little bit.
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He has 7% more wins and 50% more losses.
He's on a playoff team. The Mets are garbage..
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he's on a playoff team. The mets are garbage..
It. Doesn't. Matter.
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Old 08-19-2012, 01:31 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Johnny Cueto according to fangraphs NL WAR leaders in pitching with Kerhsaw & Gonzalez being within .2 of Cueto.

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If they finish with fairly close stats Cueto should still win as the Reds are arguably the best team in the NL (them and the Nats are close). Would've loved to see Stras finish the year as I think he would've had a shot as well.
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It. Doesn't. Matter.
Are you joking? Of course it matters. if your great on a crappy team then you shouldn't be awarded. You should be awarded for making your team reach the playoffs. Its most valuable and how can you be that valuable when your team is a cellar dweller.
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That didn't take long.
It seems like there is some credence to that argument, though...I'm not saying it's right, but I think it does weigh on the minds of some voters. Does Verlander still beat out Ellsbury if Boston doesn't have it's 2011 meltdown? What if Detroit didn't make the playoffs, either?
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Are you joking? Of course it matters. if your great on a crappy team then you shouldn't be awarded. You should be awarded for making your team reach the playoffs. Its most valuable and how can you be that valuable when your team is a cellar dweller.
This is the dumbest argument in the history of arguments. It's RA Dickey's fault the Mets bullpen is bad? Or the Mets can't hit? Maybe RA Dickey should have closed out more games or hit more homeruns, huh?

I thought we, as a sports consuming public, had moved past this kind of dumbass reasoning.
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He has 7% more wins and 50% more losses.
How about the difference in ball parks as well. Gets to pitch in the spacious Citi field.. Dickeys ERA is nearly 1 run worse away from home. Cueto in GABP still has consistent numbers. We have seen Dickey get destroyed by the long ball in GABP.

Telling thing is his July and August numbers.. 5.13 ERA in July and over 3 in August including the thumping in GABP the Reds put on him.

In late September when Dickey sports an above 3 ERA and 16 wins this discussion will long be over.
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How can you be considered a valuable player when you can't help your team to the playoffs. That is a very strong argument and is used by most voters unless the play has an unbelievable season. (Which Dickey is having a very good season but not unbelievable.)
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This is the dumbest argument in the history of arguments. It's RA Dickey's fault the Mets bullpen is bad? Or the Mets can't hit? Maybe RA Dickey should have closed out more games or hit more homeruns, huh?

I thought we, as a sports consuming public, had moved past this kind of dumbass reasoning.
haha do you really believe that a player on a bottom dwelling team deserves a mvp or cy young award for helping the team to a below 500 record. Come on now bud.
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How can you be considered a valuable player when you can't help your team to the playoffs. That is a very strong argument and is used by most voters unless the play has an unbelievable season. (Which Dickey is having a very good season but not unbelievable.)
This doesn't make any sense. I'm sorry, I can't argue against that.

Hopefully at your job you don't mind being judged by the success or failure of your peers.
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haha do you really believe that a player on a bottom dwelling team deserves a mvp or cy young award for helping the team to a below 500 record. Come on now bud.
Lazy reasoning from a bygone era. Head on over to fangraphs.com and start reading.
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id like to see A.J. BURNETT in the mix
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This is the dumbest argument in the history of arguments. It's RA Dickey's fault the Mets bullpen is bad? Or the Mets can't hit? Maybe RA Dickey should have closed out more games or hit more homeruns, huh?

I thought we, as a sports consuming public, had moved past this kind of dumbass reasoning.
You act as if the Reds have given Cueto run support. DICKEY HAS HAD OVER 1 RUN MORE IN SUPPORT THAN CUETO...

Get outta here with YOUR dumbass reasoning.
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You act as if the Reds have given Cueto run support. DICKEY HAS HAD OVER 1 RUN MORE IN SUPPORT THAN CUETO...

Get outta here with YOUR dumbass reasoning.
Run support doesn't matter unless you're using the horrible "Wins" metric to try and determine how good a pitcher is. Which you shouldn't be. So run support doesn't matter.
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id like to see A.J. BURNETT in the mix
That would be awesome. I think Burnett is having an outstanding year.


Apparently we still have people that can't get over the fact there team sucks and doesn't deserve an award for not being great. You shouldn't win awards for being good on a #@#@#@#@ team.
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