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Old 10-03-2012, 10:06 AM   #976 (permalink)
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When does voting for this take place?

All voting is done before the postseason begins and the awards are announced after the World Series is over.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:07 AM   #977 (permalink)
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When does voting for this take place?
Ballots must be in before the postseason!
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:08 AM   #978 (permalink)
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I think it's going to be a very tight vote. I could equally see Kershaw, Dickey, and Gonzalez winning it for various reasons. Will be interesting to see where Kimbrel ends up too.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:11 AM   #979 (permalink)
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I think it's going to be a very tight vote. I could equally see Kershaw, Dickey, and Gonzalez winning it for various reasons. Will be interesting to see where Kimbrel ends up too.

I'll worry about that stuff in November, at the moment I am trying to figure out where my first playoff stop is gonna be! San Francisco (hopefully not, 5 hour plane ride), St. Louis (Wouldn't mind, buddy Jon Jay plays there), Atlanta (The closest of the 3). I won't know till Friday night!! lol
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:19 AM   #980 (permalink)
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Hope for the Bravos sake it's Atlanta. Anybody know the matchup yet? I assume it will be Carpenter vs Medlen?
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Hope for the Bravos sake it's Atlanta. Anybody know the matchup yet? I assume it will be Carpenter vs Medlen?

I hope its the Braves too.. I do not wanna see a battle tested St. Louis Cardinals in the playoffs that's for sure.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:00 AM   #982 (permalink)
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Hope for the Bravos sake it's Atlanta. Anybody know the matchup yet? I assume it will be Carpenter vs Medlen?
Looks like it's gonna be Lohse: MLB Scores and Schedules - 2012 Regular Season - Major League Baseball - ESPN

Can't argue with that one. One of the best pitchers in MLB this year.
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Looks like it's gonna be Lohse: MLB Scores and Schedules - 2012 Regular Season - Major League Baseball - ESPN

Can't argue with that one. One of the best pitchers in MLB this year.
Nice ... Lohse vs "Undecided" my @$$, it will be Medlen. Should be a great game.
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Nice ... Lohse vs "Undecided" my @$$, it will be Medlen. Should be a great game.
How can it NOT be Medlen? Mike Minor would not be a bad choice either because he's had such a great September, but Medlen HAS to be your guy in a do-or-die game.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:26 PM   #985 (permalink)
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So did they do away with the rule that prevented teams from the same division from playing in the first round?
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:58 PM   #986 (permalink)
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So did they do away with the rule that prevented teams from the same division from playing in the first round?
Yessir!

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The new postseason format will eliminate the rule that teams from the same division can no longer face one another in the first round. In fact, three teams could quality for the playoffs from the same division.
Source: Extra wild cards coming to MLB playoffs
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:51 PM   #987 (permalink)
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Kershaw: 14-9, 6.90 IP/start, 2.53 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 229 K, 5.8 WAR
Dickey: 20-6, 7.05 IP/start, 2.73 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 230 K, 5.5 WAR
Gonzalez: 21-8, 6.23 IP/start, 2.89 ERA, 1.13 ERA, 207 K, 4.6 WAR

I think Dickey will end up winning it, followed by Kershaw and then Gio. I think the only reason Dickey will win it is because it is a feel good story. The numbers clearly show that Kershaw was decidedly the best pitcher in the NL this year. Or at least, the best starter.

Kershaw has an ERA nearly a half-run lower than Gio, while logging significantly more innings and facing more hitters over the course of the year. There is no way Gio deserves the Cy Young over Kershaw.
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Kershaw: 14-9, 6.90 IP/start, 2.53 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 229 K, 5.8 WAR
Dickey: 20-6, 7.05 IP/start, 2.73 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 230 K, 5.5 WAR
Gonzalez: 21-8, 6.23 IP/start, 2.89 ERA, 1.13 ERA, 207 K, 4.6 WAR

I think Dickey will end up winning it, followed by Kershaw and then Gio. I think the only reason Dickey will win it is because it is a feel good story. The numbers clearly show that Kershaw was decidedly the best pitcher in the NL this year. Or at least, the best starter.

Kershaw has an ERA nearly a half-run lower than Gio, while logging significantly more innings and facing more hitters over the course of the year. There is no way Gio deserves the Cy Young over Kershaw.
Intangibles definitely favor Dickey, but I don't think anyone can dispute that Kershaw was the best pitcher in the NL this year. I like both guys a lot and both deserve to win...I'm really pulling for Dickey though.
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Kershaw: 14-9, 6.90 IP/start, 2.53 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 229 K, 5.8 WAR
Dickey: 20-6, 7.05 IP/start, 2.73 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 230 K, 5.5 WAR
Gonzalez: 21-8, 6.23 IP/start, 2.89 ERA, 1.13 ERA, 207 K, 4.6 WAR

I think Dickey will end up winning it, followed by Kershaw and then Gio. I think the only reason Dickey will win it is because it is a feel good story. The numbers clearly show that Kershaw was decidedly the best pitcher in the NL this year. Or at least, the best starter.

Kershaw has an ERA nearly a half-run lower than Gio, while logging significantly more innings and facing more hitters over the course of the year. There is no way Gio deserves the Cy Young over Kershaw.

Bet your bottom dollar if Gio doesn't win it he'll come in 2nd. Kershaw will not come in 2nd.
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Bet your bottom dollar if Gio doesn't win it he'll come in 2nd. Kershaw will not come in 2nd.
Well, there is no way you can justify that Gio deserves second. That would just prove the idiocy of voters. The numbers don't lie. Kershaw pitches deeper into games, allows fewer baserunners, and lets fewer players cross home plate. He does this all while facing more hitters than Gio does as well, so I can't see any legitimate argument as to why Gio should finish ahead of Kershaw.

That being said, once Gio learns to keep his pitch count in check and walks fewer batters, I think you will see a pitcher who will also pitch deeper into games and I think Gio will only get better as he matures as a pitcher. But for 2012? No way, Kershaw over Dickey over Gio.

And I don't care to wager on where Gio and Kershaw will finish in the voting. All I care about is voicing my opinion on where they should finish!
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Old 10-04-2012, 02:55 PM   #991 (permalink)
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Sorry Clayton, best left handed pitcher in the league this year was Gio Gonzalez! Warren Spahn Award in the books, CY Young to go!!!


Gio Gonzalez wins Warren Spahn Award
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Sorry Clayton, best left handed pitcher in the league this year was Gio Gonzalez! Warren Spahn Award in the books, CY Young to go!!!

Gio Gonzalez wins Warren Spahn Award
It's definitely not justifiable though. Just shows the meaningless of awards when you can just randomly pick a player to win it.
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Sorry Clayton, best left handed pitcher in the league this year was Gio Gonzalez! Warren Spahn Award in the books, CY Young to go!!!


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Hrmmm...

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I'd love to see how these rankings are calculated...LOL
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Hrmmm...



I'd love to see how these rankings are calculated...LOL
Nevermind...found it:

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The standings are determined by averaging the total of each ranking for the pitcher in wins, ERA and strikeouts among left-handers. Here is a breakdown of the unofficial standings for the award through Sunday with left-handed rankings in parentheses for each category:
Source: Tampa Bay's David Price and Washington's Gio Gonzalez tied atop Warren Spahn Award standings | NewsOK.com

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1st in ERA
1st in Ks
6th in Ws

(1 + 1 + 6) / 3 = 2.67

Gonzalez
2nd in ERA
3rd in Ks
1st in Ws

(2 + 3 + 1) / 3 = 2

Yep, sounds about right.
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Source: Tampa Bay's David Price and Washington's Gio Gonzalez tied atop Warren Spahn Award standings | NewsOK.com

Kershaw
1st in ERA
1st in Ks
6th in Ws

(1 + 1 + 6) / 3 = 2.67

Gonzalez
2nd in ERA
3rd in Ks
1st in Ws

(2 + 3 + 1) / 3 = 2

Yep, sounds about right.

Beat out Price too, gotta admit pretty impressive!
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Cole Hamels actually would've ranked higher than Kershaw for this award:

3rd in ERA
2nd in Ks
2nd in Ws

(3 + 2 + 2) / 3 = 2.33
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8 of the last 14 Spahn award winners went on to win Cy Young..........
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8 of the last 14 Spahn award winners went on to win Cy Young..........
Yes that also means 6 didn't win it.....
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Beat out Price too, gotta admit pretty impressive!
It's only because of the most meaningless, asinine stat out there: wins
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Saw this in an article and thought it was pretty funny:

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The difference between Kershaw's strikeout total and Dickey's was Adam Greenberg.
How 'bout that? For a guy who said at the beginning of his own book that he'd "never lead the league in strikeouts"
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