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neahcrow 09-05-2012 02:09 PM

Oh great- message for case not received on ebay
 
I just received a message for a case of Topps Chrome I sold on ebay being not received. The tracking information shows it delivered yesterday. It was fully insured as well as I paid extra. What am I supposed to do? It was shipped UPS.

tajikey 09-05-2012 02:10 PM

Call UPS and see who signed for it. You should also be able to check the signature information through their Website.

neahcrow 09-05-2012 02:16 PM

This is the information included in the "proof of delivery"

Proof of Delivery
Close Window Dear Customer,

This notice serves as proof of delivery for the shipment listed below.

Tracking Number: 1Z14X0180377063034 Service: UPS Ground Weight: 11.90 lbs Shipped/Billed On: 08/29/2012 Delivered On: 09/04/2012 1:48 P.M. Delivered To: URBANDALE, IA, US Left At: Front Door Sincerely,

UPS

Tracking results provided by UPS: 09/05/2012 2:14 P.M. ET

californiakron 09-05-2012 02:17 PM

You did require signature right?????

tajikey 09-05-2012 02:18 PM

Wait? You bought insurance, and the package was not signed for? In my opinion, whether or not its part of the price you paid to ship, that's not okay.

PDawson21 09-05-2012 02:19 PM

you did require signature right?

If you did and they didnt sign for it, then UPS is at fault.
If you did not, you will have to fight the case. Even though it shows delivered anything OVER $250 bucks on eBay requires signature confirmation.

calculusdork 09-05-2012 02:23 PM

[QUOTE=PDawson21;3265361]you did require signature right?

If you did and they didnt sign for it, then UPS is at fault.
If you did not, you will have to fight the case. Even though it shows delivered anything OVER $250 bucks on eBay requires signature confirmation.[/QUOTE]

And assuming he insured it for over $250, UPS would hence require signature, right?

californiakron 09-05-2012 02:24 PM

I think you actually have to request to have it signed for through UPS.

dizzyduff13 09-05-2012 02:25 PM

A lot of the times they (the drivers) don't even ask you to sign. I know for my business, the driver just hands the packages over to me without getting the signature. When Topps chrome released, I sold my 2 cases and requested the signature confirmation. Ups simply left the package at the door and never obtained the signature.

It is also possible that they're trying to pull a fast one on you.

PDawson21 09-05-2012 02:25 PM

[QUOTE=calculusdork;3265380]And assuming he insured it for over $250, UPS would hence require signature, right?[/QUOTE]

Negative, you have to request it.

Delivery Confirmation: UPS will mail you a confirmation of delivery without a signature.

Signature Required: UPS will obtain the recipient's signature or other electronic acknowledgement of receipt from the recipient when this option is selected and provide you with a printed copy. You may also view the recipient's signature or electronic acknowledgement of receipt online.

Adult Signature Required: UPS will obtain the adult recipient's signature and provide you with a printed copy. Adult recipients must be at least 21. You may also view the adult recipient's signature online.

Hellwig 09-05-2012 02:28 PM

Insured packages by UPS do not have to be signed for. I get them dropped on the porch. When I get orders from Blowout over a certain amount they require a sig. But another unnamed company gives you the option to purchase insurance (mainly to protect against damage) but are always delivered to the porch if I'm not home.

neahcrow 09-05-2012 02:33 PM

I'm dealing with this right now- online chat- I'm not even sure if I required adult signature which is absolute bullsh** because I paid 35 freaking dollars for insurance- I thought it was included. The UPS Store agent was rude and rushing me and never asked me about sig confirmation. I thought it was included with the insurance or automatic due to the value. Oh god I hope this doesn't come back on me. I'm wondering if the guy is just trying to take advantage if he realized there was no signature confirmation.

VWBUS1978 09-05-2012 02:37 PM

[QUOTE=neahcrow;3265427]I'm dealing with this right now- online chat- I'm not even sure if I required adult signature which is absolute bullsh** because I paid 35 freaking dollars for insurance- I thought it was included. The UPS Store agent was rude and rushing me and never asked me about sig confirmation. I thought it was included with the insurance or automatic due to the value. Oh god I hope this doesn't come back on me. [B] I'm wondering if the guy is just trying to take advantage if he realized there was no signature confirmation[/B].[/QUOTE]

people that know the system well. and as soon as they don't have to sign they know the deal, so i would not doubt it for one second... good luck in getting it resolved.

festus 09-05-2012 02:37 PM

if it was insured there is nothing to worry about - ups loses

buyer is probably a thief especially by just firing off a claim without asking seller questions first. this happened to me one time & i advised the buyer everything would be taken care of but a police report needed to be made first & i would call them to follow up. also stated i wanted to talk to him on the phone about the situation (most people dont want any contact that way if they are scamming). turned out the "neighbor" had it...

PDawson21 09-05-2012 02:37 PM

[QUOTE=neahcrow;3265427]I'm dealing with this right now- online chat- I'm not even sure if I required adult signature which is absolute bullsh** because I paid 35 freaking dollars for insurance- I thought it was included. The UPS Store agent was rude and rushing me and never asked me about sig confirmation. I thought it was included with the insurance or automatic due to the value. Oh god I hope this doesn't come back on me. I'm wondering if the guy is just trying to take advantage if he realized there was no signature confirmation.[/QUOTE]

Insurance w/UPS doesn't work like the USPS though, that would be NICE.

DirtyBirdy 09-05-2012 02:37 PM

Sounds like they broke the case and got nothing good.

JohnnysBench 09-05-2012 02:38 PM

[QUOTE=neahcrow;3265427]I'm dealing with this right now- online chat- I'm not even sure if I required adult signature which is absolute bullsh** because I paid 35 freaking dollars for insurance- I thought it was included. The UPS Store agent was rude and rushing me and never asked me about sig confirmation. I thought it was included with the insurance or automatic due to the value. Oh god I hope this doesn't come back on me. I'm wondering if the guy is just trying to take advantage if he realized there was no signature confirmation.[/QUOTE]

This is quite possible IMO.

tajikey 09-05-2012 02:38 PM

[QUOTE=neahcrow;3265427]I'm dealing with this right now- online chat- I'm not even sure if I required adult signature which is absolute bullsh** because I paid 35 freaking dollars for insurance- I thought it was included. The UPS Store agent was rude and rushing me and never asked me about sig confirmation. I thought it was included with the insurance or automatic due to the value. Oh god I hope this doesn't come back on me. [B]I'm wondering if the guy is just trying to take advantage if he realized there was no signature confirmation.[/B][/QUOTE]

It's an unfortunate reality that this may be the case. Ultimately, though, I'd like to think it's on the UPS driver to "prove" that he delivered the package to the right place.

Sure, the box could have been taken from the buyer's front doorstep, but wouldn't that also be on UPS, as you paid them to get the package from your hands, to the hands of the person on the other end of the ship to address.

braves3331 09-05-2012 02:39 PM

Contact UPS and let them know the situation. If you can get someone from the local terminal, even better. If they left the package outside, they can track the driver down to see if the driver can provide any more info on where it's been placed. Over several years, there's been a few instances where my driver realized he dropped off at the wrong location (mixed up street numbers, etc.) and picked it up from the wrong location and re-delivered correctly.

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe insurance and declared value are two separate things with UPS. You have to request signature if you do declared value. If you insure it, I think they will obtain signature or leave not on door.

THE(NEXT)LEVEL 09-05-2012 02:39 PM

[QUOTE=neahcrow;3265427] I'm wondering if the guy is just trying to take advantage if he realized there was no signature confirmation.[/QUOTE]

I'm hoping that is not the case. Its a shame the amount of dishonest people though.

calculusdork 09-05-2012 02:40 PM

[QUOTE=festus;3265447]if it was insured there is nothing to worry about - ups loses

buyer is probably a thief especially by just firing off a claim without asking seller questions first. this happened to me one time & i advised the buyer everything would be taken care of but a police report needed to be made first & i would call them to follow up. also stated i wanted to talk to him on the phone about the situation (most people dont want any contact that way if they are scamming). turned out the "neighbor" had it...[/QUOTE]

this this this this this

Nehemiah, as much as it sucks, play this game. At face value, someone has stolen your buyer's item, and you (the responsible seller) seek to get to the bottom of this by treating it as a theft.

festus 09-05-2012 02:41 PM

[QUOTE=tajikey;3265458]It's an unfortunate reality that this may be the case. Ultimately, though, I'd like to think it's on the UPS driver to "prove" that he delivered the package to the right place.

Sure, the box could have been taken from the buyer's front doorstep, but wouldn't that also be on UPS, as you paid them to get the package from your hands, to the hands of the person on the other end of the ship to address.[/QUOTE]

you know, this is entirely possible but if PRESSURE is put on the buyer more times than not they get scared with cops & investigations...

braves3331 09-05-2012 02:41 PM

[QUOTE=neahcrow;3265427]I'm dealing with this right now- online chat- I'm not even sure if I required adult signature which is absolute bullsh** because I paid 35 freaking dollars for insurance- I thought it was included. The UPS Store agent was rude and rushing me and never asked me about sig confirmation. I thought it was included with the insurance or automatic due to the value. Oh god I hope this doesn't come back on me. I'm wondering if the guy is just trying to take advantage if he realized there was no signature confirmation.[/QUOTE]

If possible, go down to the store you took it to and have them track it down. You may have better luck that way than through their online chat.

californiakron 09-05-2012 02:44 PM

Sounds like the buyer is trying to pull a quick one on you. I'd definitely get the police involved as you WILL lose the case through paypal automatically.

picojim 09-05-2012 02:44 PM

anything insured under $1000- does not require signature

you would have to add the service "signature required"
and it cost $5-additional


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