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View Poll Results: Who wins the AL MVP?
Mike Trout 107 39.48%
Miguel Cabrera 160 59.04%
Other 4 1.48%
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:26 PM   #176 (permalink)
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you obviously have never watched the tigers play than, hes the second best infielder in his own infield behind infante....and hes fine at third base he fields anything near him and occasionaly makes a diving play/catch...hes not going to have the range as the elite fielding 3b's but hes solid there and as i said before his defense has yet to cost the tigers a game and thats a fact
He actually probably makes less error's than Infante
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:29 PM   #177 (permalink)
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He actually probably makes less error's than Infante
yeah infante had a bad stretch but overall he has more range and is usually solid
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yeah infante had a bad stretch but overall he has more range and is usually solid
Stat wise Peralta is the best infielder
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Stat wise Peralta is the best infielder
I still don't want to see him as the starter next year, same goes for Infante
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I can actually see them giving a co-mvp.

Both are so deserving in so many ways.
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I can actually see them giving a co-mvp.

Both are so deserving in so many ways.
They only do a co-MVP in a tie of the voting, they can't vote for a tie

I doubt it will be a tie, in the end I think one wins it going away as most voters will lean one way or the other, WAR or Triple Crown/Playoffs, one will probably win out in a landslide vote
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Yep, you're right, he had a great season, but we're not talking about what player had a great season, we're talking about which player had the better great season.

And when everything is so close, I think it just has to come down to who did more down the stretch.

Everyone seems to think that a win in April is the same as a win in September, which in the standings it is, but when you're in similar positions for the playoff race going into September, then all those early season games, to use an economic term, are a sunk cost, at that specific point, they don't mean anything from that point on.

And that's when Cabrera's cream rose to the top and Trout's settled just below
I think the bolded statement is the crux of our disagreement. All of the advanced metrics say that this MVP race is not close. Trout's the complete package. I think Miguel Cabrera is the best hitter in baseball ball, but I believe Mike Trout is the most valuable player in baseball. Either way, both of their performances this year have made for one helluva debate!

Buster Olney wrote a good article on this a few days ago, where the players wanted Cabrera to win and the front-office personnel picked Trout. Here is an excerpt from the article:

*** The on-field personnel see Cabrera as an incredibly reliable, consistent and irreplaceable source of run production, someone who wrecks bad pitching but also hits good pitching. "I've seen him fight off bastard pitches with two strikes, a slider on the black -- he'll foul it off," one player said. "Then, when you're thinking he's leaning over the plate, you try to bust him inside, and he crushes it. He's the best, and he's out there every day. He's really tough, and I don't think you can put into numbers what he means to that team."

A prominent veteran player: "I would be really, really disappointed if Cabrera didn't win."

Players and coaches also mentioned the impact of Cabrera on his teammates, on how they see him provide confidence for the others merely with his presence. "He's a leader, in a way that Trout hasn't had a chance to be yet," one coach said. "You take Trout away from the Angels and it hurts, but they've got other guys. You take Cabrera away from the Tigers and they are a completely different team."

A response from an executive, which is typical of many responses I've heard: "Why is there even a conversation?" In other words, this executive views Trout as so much the superior player overall -- with his peerless baserunning, extraordinary defense and exceptional offensive skills -- that he doesn't view them as close.

"We're seeing a combination of talents we've never seen before," said one highly ranked NL official. "He does everything. He's among the best hitters in the game right now; he is the best baserunner; and he might be the best defender [in the outfield]. It's actually hard to put into words how good he is."

The advanced metrics do it for them. Some executives don't use WAR, viewing it as something of a junk stat, but virtually every team uses some form of metrics to provide a summary of a player's overall value, and Trout has dominated those, in that way that Tiger Woods once dominated in golf.
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Cabrera is 1-1 tonight

Just sayin......

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Cabrera is 1-1 tonight

Just sayin......

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make that 2 for 2, just had a 2 rbi single
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Put Trout on the Tigers and Cabrera on the Angels who wins MVP.
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Put Trout on the Tigers and Cabrera on the Angels who wins MVP.
I'd love to see Trout patrolling the massive CF in Comerica, would lead to some crazy catches, hahahaha
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Looks like the Triple Crown is locked up now unfortunately, Hamilton would need several home runs since Mauer isn't going to fight for BA title.
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I would consider Trout's .280 /.402 /.500 with 5hr-6sb-23r since September 1 (full season pace of 30hr-36sb-138r+gold glove) to be "great", but we'll have to agree to disagree on that point.
So .280 with 48 RBI's over a season would be "great"? That is what his numbers since September 1 would project to since you want you use that instead of the fact he batted .257 with 6 RBI's the entire month of September during a playoff run.
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I'd love to see Trout patrolling the massive CF in Comerica, would lead to some crazy catches, hahahaha
Pujols backing up Miggy? Wow.
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Pujols backing up Miggy? Wow.
Well I wouldn't make the trade, we have a top notch player patrolling CF right now in AJax, just saying it would lead to some crazy plays

But yes, if Cabrera went to LAA as a 1B and Pujols didn't move to DH the he would be backing Cabrera up, and I don't think even Angels fans would dispute that
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Well I wouldn't make the trade, we have a top notch player patrolling CF right now in AJax, just saying it would lead to some crazy plays

But yes, if Cabrera went to LAA as a 1B and Pujols didn't move to DH the he would be backing Cabrera up, and I don't think even Angels fans would dispute that
Billy Beane would still be god.
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Looks like the Triple Crown is locked up now unfortunately, Hamilton would need several home runs since Mauer isn't going to fight for BA title.
Nothing unfortunate about that at all. Hamilton might have another sinus attack anyway and not play. Bwahahaha. Candy ass.
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Nothing unfortunate about that at all. Hamilton might have another sinus attack anyway and not play. Bwahahaha. Candy ass.
It's guys like you that really give Detroit fans everywhere a good name.
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Coming from NY, I'll take that as a compliment.
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Coming from NY, I'll take that as a compliment.
Good one, try again.
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Good one, try again.
Coming from NY I'll take that as a compliment. Yep. Just as sweet the second time around.
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Looks like the Triple Crown is locked up now unfortunately, Hamilton would need several home runs since Mauer isn't going to fight for BA title.
Somebody sounds bitter lol
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I just thought this was interesting:

Should Triple Crown guarantee MVP? - SportsNation - ESPN

I was mainly shocked that California voted so highly in favor of Cabrera. I know both players have had amazing seasons, so we will just have to wait and see.
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