Hamilton will never play for the Rangers again - Stats to prove it!!

[vwnut13]

Hamilton will play for the Rangers on Friday.

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[mainerunr]

Originally Posted by vwnut13

Hamilton will play for the Rangers on Friday.

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I was looking for this ...and if I hadn't found it, I was going to say it.

[btimm]

I feel like my ability to form a clear, logical thought is suffering after reading the nonsense OP displayed ...

[zonacats8]

Not that I see it happening, but if the Tigers don't win the world series, don't count them out of signing Hamilton until he signs a new contract somewhere else.

The Tigers owner Mike Illitch is getting old and all he wants is to win a World Series to go along with his many cups as the owner of the Wings too, and he has A LOT of money and doesn't care about the luxury tax. Dude owns more things than I even know of, but included are the Wings, Little Ceasars, and a casino.

I remember reading an article on espn a few weeks back about where he could be going and the guy went through each team starting with the ones that were the least likely. Ended the article with something along the lines of the Tigers being the wildcard in any free agent now because of Illitch and his pocketbook.

Having said that, I'd rather we go out and get Bourn from Atlanta and put him in right and hitting lead-off, in the field him and Jackson would almost eliminate that huge power alley in right center, then have a fun stopping an order of Bourn, Jackson, Cabrera, Fielder, Martinez, Avila, and whoever ends up at ss, 2b, and lf wouldn't really matter much

[btimm]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

Not that I see it happening, but if the Tigers don't win the world series, don't count them out of signing Hamilton until he signs a new contract somewhere else.

The Tigers owner Mike Illitch is getting old and all he wants is to win a World Series to go along with his many cups as the owner of the Wings too, and he has A LOT of money and doesn't care about the luxury tax. Dude owns more things than I even know of, but included are the Wings, Little Ceasars, and a casino.

I remember reading an article on espn a few weeks back about where he could be going and the guy went through each team starting with the ones that were the least likely. Ended the article with something along the lines of the Tigers being the wildcard in any free agent now because of Illitch and his pocketbook.

Having said that, I'd rather we go out and get Bourn from Atlanta and put him in right and hitting lead-off, in the field him and Jackson would almost eliminate that huge power alley in right center, then have a fun stopping an order of Bourn, Jackson, Cabrera, Fielder, Martinez, Avila, and whoever ends up at ss, 2b, and lf wouldn't really matter much

0% chance Hamilton winds up in Detroit. If Detroit spends the money, it will be on pitching, I would expect changes made to the every day players to involve more of a role player type of change, no big names.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by btimm

0% chance Hamilton winds up in Detroit. If Detroit spends the money, it will be on pitching, I would expect changes made to the every day players to involve more of a role player type of change, no big names.

He'll spend the money on pitching too, but it really doesn't take that much to fill out a bullpen as we're set at starting pitching, if anything need to pick up a 5th starter which wouldn't be much either.

I don't think it will happen, I'd put it at 5-10% chance of happening though, but could you imagine a 3-4-5 of Hamilton-Cabrera-Fielder?

[btimm]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

He'll spend the money on pitching too, but it really doesn't take that much to fill out a bullpen as we're set at starting pitching, if anything need to pick up a 5th starter which wouldn't be much either.

I don't think it will happen, I'd put it at 5-10% chance of happening though, but could you imagine a 3-4-5 of Hamilton-Cabrera-Fielder?

Set at starting pitching? I disagree. Verlander is elite. Scherzer is pitching like an elite pitcher currently, but he still has never done it for an entire season. Fister is rock solid. Porcello blows. It seems that Detroit has 2.5 legitimate pitchers, that is not enough to be a clear WS candidate imo.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by btimm

Set at starting pitching? I disagree. Verlander is elite. Scherzer is pitching like an elite pitcher currently, but he still has never done it for an entire season. Fister is rock solid. Porcello blows. It seems that Detroit has 2.5 legitimate pitchers, that is not enough to be a clear WS candidate imo.

I'd be fine going into next year with our rotation being Verlander, Fister, Scherzer, Porcello, and then I see them trying to keep Sanchez possibly, he's pitched better recently.

So I'm good with Porcello as our #5 and if need be we sign a new 4 as well

[frozenntimesports]

He could sign with Cincinnati where his career was reborn. Not sure they have the money to do this. Stubbs, Phillips, Bruce, Hamilton, Votto... that could be sick.

[Moyni]

Originally Posted by btimm

I feel like my ability to form a clear, logical thought is suffering after reading the nonsense OP displayed ...

How is that nonsense?

I also might contend that I was so f'ing pissed when I wrote that.

[btimm]

Originally Posted by Moyni

The Rangers have collapsed in September and lost the division to the Oakland (Bleepin') A's. This team has shown no heart for weeks and it all starts with their "leader"...Josh Hamilton. When his team needed him most he disappeared.

Here are the gory stats for the month.

25 games played (remember he missed crucial games due to "blurry vision")

23 for 94 .245 avg
Everyone has bad stretches, Pujols was as bad to start the year, guess he sucks?

7 HRs, but none in the last nine games
Really? You are using a sample size of 9 games? Everyone had a stretch of 9 games without a bomb before. lol You even state 7 HRs in the last 25 games, that prorates to 42 HRs for the year, seems in line with what you would expect.

16 RBIs, but none in late game crucial situations

and here is the real kick in the nuts...

37 strikeouts. If strikeouts were hits he would be batting .393!!
Good night, you can't just say if he never struck out and those were all hits. Further a strikeout isn't necessarily a bad way to make an out, depending on the situation. lol

I am as big of a Hamilton fan as there is because I appreciate what he has been through and I respect his faith, but I cannot tell you how disappointed in his performance.
He isn't a machine, get over it.

Today, he looked completely disinterested and unfocused.

Good luck to the team dumb enough to pay him.

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[tebowrules]

Would everyone be bashing Hamilton if the Rangers had won yesterday? Doubt it bunch of haters.

[jusdukky]

vwnut and btimm, nice posts... spot on

It's always fun to watch the BO GM's come out of the woodwork to show their expertise. Actually there are some that make some good points with their baseball knowledge. Some not so much.

[dbackschamp2001]

We'll see how he does in the playoffs. I think that will determine whether or not he is gone, but I could see him going to the Cubs.

[Astronix]

It's going to come down to who is willing to pay him 5+ years. I think the Rangers have a strong enough farm system they won't need to and so they probably won't.

I can't even guess who would, but a team that is already contending and is still pretty young would make sense. Oakland?

[Moyni]

Wow. I never knew that people could misunderstand comments so much. I am not saying that Hamilton sucks by any means. He had a good season, but in September, when his team needed him to come up big, he didn't.

That will certainly be a factor in the decision by Rangers management as to whether to resign him or not.

[mouschi]

Originally Posted by IamRalpho

I doubt the Yankees go after him, Cashman isnt dumb. He only makes sense in Texas.

I'm sure there is a short right porch there that may have something to say about this

[barob72]

He's got at least one more game and should the Rangers win he'll have another and another ... and if by some stretch they get hot well anything is possible in the playoffs. I wouldn't write the Rangers off just yet.

[texgator]

The Rangers will play this the same way they did CJ Wilson last offseason. They will offer Hamilton a reasonable contract...something like 5/80.....and then see if anyone comes in with a better offer. If someone wants to overpay for his HRs....he will be gone. If not, he is back in Texas at a reasonable $ per WAR position that they will be happy with. JD is one of the best GMs in the league....he won't get taken by Hamilton, but he also appreciates a good value for production. If Hamilton walks the Rangers are going to have to come up with 40 HRs and 130 Runs produced. That won't happen unless they trade Andrus and get no pitching in return. They don't want to have to do that.

[peafour]

Originally Posted by dbackschamp2001

We'll see how he does in the playoffs. I think that will determine whether or not he is gone, but I could see him going to the Cubs.

Oh my god, no no no a thousand times no. The Cubs are in no position to spend any money next year on anything other than lineup filling role players. They shouldn't sign anyone over a Paul Mahalom level of talent for next year. Certainly no established veteran stars. This post made me barf a little bit just thinking about it.

[Win4Vin]

hamilton to the 'stros? they need a new "big bat" to keep up in the AL next year.

btw, why knock a guy for not playing through blurry vision? you can't hit what you can't see and likewise, you can't catch fly balls you can't see either. dumb argument if you ask me. these guy ARE human.

[texgator]

Originally Posted by Win4Vin

hamilton to the 'stros? they need a new "big bat" to keep up in the AL next year.

btw, why knock a guy for not playing through blurry vision? you can't hit what you can't see and likewise, you can't catch fly balls you can't see either. dumb argument if you ask me. these guy ARE human.

I agree in principle....but the frustration stems from several incidents this season and seasons past where Josh has missed games, or excused long stretches of poor performance, with relatively minor health/mental issues. In addition, he is being unfairly, in my opinion, compared to Beltre who plays through severe intestinal pain while delivering game winning hits and elite defense. Beltre is in a world of his own, and it's not fair to Josh that he has to live up to those comparisons. HOWEVER...it is easy to see why Ranger fandom has begun to think that Josh is soft.

"I can't hit in the daytime because of my eye color"

"I need a few days off because of personal issues"

"I've been disobedient"

"I think I'll quit tobacco in the middle of the season and watch the team suffer through my recovery period"

"I think I'll quite caffeine at the most crucial time of the season and watch the team suffer through my recovery period"

"I think I'll have highly public episodes with women in bars during two different offseasons so that the coach, front office and rest of the team has to focus on that rather than preparing for the season"

Its a long list, and it gets real tiring after a while.

[Moyni]

Congratulations Josh. You have proven without a doubt that the Rangers should not re-sign you with your absolutely pathetic 0-4 w/ 2 more strikeouts. It has been 45 critical at-bats since your last homer.

I wish Josh good luck next season. I hope he has a great year. It just won't be for the Rangers.

[romad97]

Originally Posted by btimm

0% chance Hamilton winds up in Detroit. If Detroit spends the money, it will be on pitching, I would expect changes made to the every day players to involve more of a role player type of change, no big names.

Yea just like there was 0% chance that the Red Sox were going to get rid of AGonz as well right? Nothing in baseball is zero percent chance. I could very well see Detroit throwing out a competitive bid for Hamilton.

[Texas Brave13]

all the talk about stats for a month is bull sh**...the guy produces...fact:

*he's a FA,
*he feels he deserves at least a 4 year deal or something to take him to the end of his baseball carrer,
*he's one of the top fielding OF players in the league the last 3-4 years,
*do we really need to talk about his HR's, RBI, Runs, SB's and speed?

Anyone can a specific month out of anyone's playing career and use that as their own justification for letting a player go or not to give him a new contract. It's hard to keep personal biased out of this, but you must try to. The Rangers have been to the WS the past 2 years, and other players were performing and picking up some of the slack where others like Josh left off this season, it happens.

Here is what I see happening in the off season and I have zero facts to support it, only rumor and things I see:

*Elvis gets traded to AZ and we get J. Upton to fill in the OF where Hamilton will be missed (yes, Hammy will be gone because he will want way too much scratch),

*Profar gets shifted to SS and he and Kinsler run the middle INF.

Just my .02