Terry Francona To Be Named Indians Manager

[BostonNut]

You do realize the '04 Red Sox were a patch-work rag tag bunch, right?

I mean...Orlando Cabrera, Bill Mueller, Bronson Arroyo, an unknown David Ortiz, Kevin Millar, Mike Timlin, Allan Embree...

FranKonerko did a hell of a job managing that team.

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

You missed my point though. My point is, Francoma is a lousy manager when he doesn't have a $150million all star lineup and that will be proven in 2013 by the Indians.

The teams you mentioned have good managers, not just guys that can handle the personalities of a $175million payroll.

[jerrybcollins]

Originally Posted by IamRalpho

If the Indians suck next year or the tenure of Tito's contract, its gonna be because of poor drafting and poor scouting.

Santana, Kipnis, Lindor are a good start. They need to draft better and cut bait from the Sizemores and Hafners of the world

Ubaldo sucks too but so does Pomeranz so what are they losing?

So basically Tito is great but if they don't win then it's poor drafting and scouting. But if they win do you give him the credit or does that go to drafting and scouting also? Just don't get why you are making excuses for a very good manager 6 months before his first game.

[IamRalpho]

Originally Posted by jerrybcollins

So basically Tito is great but if they don't win then it's poor drafting and scouting. But if they win do you give him the credit or does that go to drafting and scouting also? Just don't get why you are making excuses for a very good manager 6 months before his first game.

Not excuses but people are already saying he sucks as a manager, but he wont be great next year because of what is in Cleveland. I am talking about JUST next year, but for the life of his contract if he cant do anything with that team then its his fault as well

You could be the greatest manager in the world, but if you had Clevelands roster RIGHT NOW, you arent winning anything.

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by IamRalpho

Not excuses but people are already saying he sucks as a manager, but he wont be great next year because of what is in Cleveland. I am talking about JUST next year, but for the life of his contract if he cant do anything with that team then its his fault as well

You could be the greatest manager in the world, but if you had Clevelands roster RIGHT NOW, you arent winning anything.

He does suck as a manager. But he's great at managing personalities. Well, the Indians don't have any personalitiies, they need an "X's and O's" manager, so to speak who will get the most out of the least talent. Something he has never done.

And for the record, the 2004 Red Sox had a payroll far exceeding $120million for the fine gentleman that talked about putting together a rag tag team, does this sound like one, circa 2004?

Manny Ramirez $20,409,542.00
Pedro Martinez $17,500,000.00
Curt Schilling $12,000,000.00
Nomar Garciaparra $11,500,000.00
Johnny Damon $8,000,000.00
Jason Varitek $6,900,000.00
David Ortiz $4,587,500.00
Derek Lowe $4,500,000.00
Trot Nixon $4,500,000.00
Tim Wakefield $4,350,000.00
Ricky Gutierrez $4,166,667.00
Ramiro Mendoza $3,600,000.00
Keith Foulke $3,500,000.00
Byung-Hyun Kim $3,425,000.00
Kevin Millar $3,300,000.00
Scott Williamson $3,175,000.00
Alan Embree $3,000,000.00
Doug Mientkiewicz $2,800,000.00
Mike Timlin $2,500,000.00
Bill Mueller $2,100,000.00
Terry Adams $1,700,000.00
Orlando Cabrera $1,500,000.00
Curtis Leskanic $1,250,000.00
Pokey Reese $1,000,000.00
Dave Roberts $975,000.00
Doug Mirabelli $825,000.00
Ellis Burks $750,000.00
Gabe Kapler $750,000.00
Mike Myers $550,000.00
David McCarty $500,000.00
Mark Bellhorn $490,000.00
Bronson Arroyo $332,500.00
Abe Alvarez $300,000.00
Jamie Brown $300,000.00
Lenny DiNardo $300,000.00
Andy Dominique $300,000.00
Mark Malaska $300,000.00
Anastacio Martinez $300,000.00
Phil Seibel $300,000.00
Earl Snyder $300,000.00
Kevin Youkilis $300,000.00

[BostonNut]

Who cares what the hell the 2004 team made?!? Manny, Pedro, Schilling, and Damon were the only "superstars" on that team. FranKonerko did an outstanding job that season. The way he managed the bullpen down the stretch was brillant. How he stick with Bellhorn no matter what was genius.

By your logic....if this season's Houston Astros had a payroll of $150 million FranKonerko would have led them to an undefeated season...

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

He does suck as a manager. But he's great at managing personalities. Well, the Indians don't have any personalitiies, they need an "X's and O's" manager, so to speak who will get the most out of the least talent. Something he has never done.

And for the record, the 2004 Red Sox had a payroll far exceeding $120million for the fine gentleman that talked about putting together a rag tag team, does this sound like one, circa 2004?

Manny Ramirez $20,409,542.00
Pedro Martinez $17,500,000.00
Curt Schilling $12,000,000.00
Nomar Garciaparra $11,500,000.00
Johnny Damon $8,000,000.00
Jason Varitek $6,900,000.00
David Ortiz $4,587,500.00
Derek Lowe $4,500,000.00
Trot Nixon $4,500,000.00
Tim Wakefield $4,350,000.00
Ricky Gutierrez $4,166,667.00
Ramiro Mendoza $3,600,000.00
Keith Foulke $3,500,000.00
Byung-Hyun Kim $3,425,000.00
Kevin Millar $3,300,000.00
Scott Williamson $3,175,000.00
Alan Embree $3,000,000.00
Doug Mientkiewicz $2,800,000.00
Mike Timlin $2,500,000.00
Bill Mueller $2,100,000.00
Terry Adams $1,700,000.00
Orlando Cabrera $1,500,000.00
Curtis Leskanic $1,250,000.00
Pokey Reese $1,000,000.00
Dave Roberts $975,000.00
Doug Mirabelli $825,000.00
Ellis Burks $750,000.00
Gabe Kapler $750,000.00
Mike Myers $550,000.00
David McCarty $500,000.00
Mark Bellhorn $490,000.00
Bronson Arroyo $332,500.00
Abe Alvarez $300,000.00
Jamie Brown $300,000.00
Lenny DiNardo $300,000.00
Andy Dominique $300,000.00
Mark Malaska $300,000.00
Anastacio Martinez $300,000.00
Phil Seibel $300,000.00
Earl Snyder $300,000.00
Kevin Youkilis $300,000.00

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

Who cares what the hell the 2004 team made?!? Manny, Pedro, Schilling, and Damon were the only "superstars" on that team. FranKonerko did an outstanding job that season. The way he managed the bullpen down the stretch was brillant. How he stick with Bellhorn no matter what was genius.

By your logic....if this season's Houston Astros had a payroll of $150 million FranKonerko would have led them to an undefeated season...

I'll repeat myself for the 100th time. Let's see him win with a $60million payroll. Then I'll be impressed. Until then, he's just another manager given an all star team that didn't screw it up.

[BostonNut]

And I'll say it for the 101st time. What does it matter what guys make? So if Derek Jeter made $13 a year he would be unmanagable???

I don't understand why a high payroll = a bum on the street could manage a MLB team. Your logic makes NO SENSE.

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

I'll repeat myself for the 100th time. Let's see him win with a $60million payroll. Then I'll be impressed. Until then, he's just another manager given an all star team that didn't screw it up.

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

And I'll say it for the 101st time. What does it matter what guys make? So if Derek Jeter made $13 a year he would be unmanagable???

I don't understand why a high payroll = a bum on the street could manage a MLB team. Your logic makes NO SENSE.

Seriously, you are saying payroll doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things? If that's true, why haven't KC and Pittsburgh been competitive for the past 20 years? Why are the MOST of the high payroll teams in the hunt ALMOST every year while the low payroll teams squeek in sporatically?

High payroll does not guarantee a world series appearance, but it certainly helps a ton.

[RedSoxFan28]

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

I'll repeat myself for the 100th time. Let's see him win with a $60million payroll. Then I'll be impressed. Until then, he's just another manager given an all star team that didn't screw it up.

Let's see if any Yankees manager can win at a $60Million Payroll....

[lambeauleap87]

The Indians are, in all likelihood, going to be a giant pile of dogshit next year. Don't expect Francona to come in and make this a ninety win team. I do think that he is worth a few wins in 2013, but will be more effective as time goes on and the Indians can build a team.

[RedSoxFan28]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

The Indians are, in all likelihood, going to be a giant pile of dogshit next year. Don't expect Francona to come in and make this a ninety win team. I do think that he is worth a few wins in 2013, but will be more effective as time goes on and the Indians can build a team.

Agreed, Rome wasn't built in a day. Not saying the Indians will be a top team in the AL. But It'll take time and some productive offseasons/drafts for them to be contenders.

[lambeauleap87]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

Agreed, Rome wasn't built in a day. Not saying the Indians will be a top team in the AL. But It'll take time and some productive offseasons/drafts for them to be contenders.

Exactly...it'll help that the contracts of Hafner and Sizemore should gone; that's around $18 million of payroll lifted from worthless players. Use that money, develop prospects, and see where it goes.

On the subject of Alomar, I'd love to see him manage the Indians AAA team in Columbus and bring Sarbaugh up to coach in Cleveland. Alomar has about six days of managing experience at any level.

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

Let's see if any Yankees manager can win at a $60Million Payroll....

That's kind of my point...