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Old 10-29-2012, 01:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Topps tweeted me back about Fake Patches

To me this screams, "We don't really give a #@#@#@#@ once we have your money." Oh well.
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:30 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Basically they're just saying no, it would take too much time, and we'd want a lot of extra money for it. LOL Not like I expected them to do this anyway.
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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They don't care if they're fake going into the product in the first instance, why would they care about them being altered after the fact? There's no integrity to compromise.
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:50 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Doesn't seem hard....

Just scan everything and make like a PDF....
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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You should tweet back that the inferior card production company Leaf is somehow finding the time and money to do this.
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:52 PM   #7 (permalink)
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You should tweet back that the inferior card production company Leaf is somehow finding the time and money to do this.
In all fairness Leaf doesn't have NEARLY as much patches to track as Topps does.

Not defending Topps, but yea it would be very helpful if they could find a way to do it.
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In all fairness Leaf doesn't have NEARLY as much patches to track as Topps does.

Not defending Topps, but yea it would be very helpful if they could find a way to do it.
True, but shouldn't the total cost (w/r/t both money and time) be about the same as a function of revenue?
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Great idea.

They should buy the tech from COMC to process all high end hits they manufacture to add to a DB. To me it sounds like hiring a small staff and extra servers/bandwidth. It's a relatively small cost to protect aftermarket integrity when compared to their annual turnover, plus it may spark more business consumer confidence.
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:56 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Or tweet them back letting them know that when people stop/reduce the amount of product they purchase it will cost them money as well.
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:58 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The only way it'd work if it was a 1/1 tracker for hi end products like Five Star & Museum Collection.
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:59 PM   #12 (permalink)
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In all fairness Leaf doesn't have NEARLY as much patches to track as Topps does.

Not defending Topps, but yea it would be very helpful if they could find a way to do it.
Honestly, I think everyone would be happy if they'd do it with just the high end products.
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Old 10-29-2012, 02:02 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Honestly, I think everyone would be happy if they'd do it with just the high end products.
Agreed, I mean what is a fake $10 patch anyway?

Wouldn't even have to be hi-res scans, low-res digital pictures would be just fine as long as they matched serial ID number to patch.
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Old 10-29-2012, 02:03 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Topps only cares about selling product, they don't care about the secondary market and what happens after the point of sale. On one hand I don't blame them, but on the other they have to realize that their product isn't a one and one item. Cards get sold and resold (potentially) dozens and even hundreds of times. Eventually what happens on the secondary market will have a direct impact on future sales if they don't do something about it. I guarantee nothing will happen until their sales are hurt by this.

Take me as an example, I never open high end products. I only buy singles off ebay, BO, and other sites. If I can't trust the patches to be real, I'm going to stop buying. If I stop buying, rip and flippers will stop buying the boxes from distributors. Distributors will stop buying from Topps. At that point Topps will say "Oh shoot, we need to consider the end buyer (of singles) a customer just as much as we consider the distributor and rip and flippers our customers". In the end the customer will win, but it will take time. Until then, we just have to consider any patch card to be highly suspect.

Even if we have a database to prove the patches were directly from Topps, we still have to question where Topps got the patches/jerseys to begin with.
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The only way it'd work if it was a 1/1 tracker for hi end products like Five Star & Museum Collection.
I'm not sure what you mean by this ... he's not talking about a hit tracker, but a patch tracker like Leaf did here.
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I'm not sure what you mean by this ... he's not talking about a hit tracker, but a patch tracker like Leaf did here.
That is what I mean

I never said hit tracker

It can still be called a patch tracker.

Sorry, let me rephrase it and call it a patch guide.
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That is what I mean

I never said hit tracker

It can still be called a patch tracker.

Sorry, let me rephrase it and call it a patch guide.
No need to get smart brother.

Just didn't understand what you were saying, and why your method was the "only way it would work".
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Doesn't seem hard....

Just scan everything and make like a PDF....
Just scan everything and make a PDF?

It would have to be way more complex than that if you wanted it to be even remotely useful. Remember that even single jersey swatches would have to be included. That is millions of cards a year.
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Old 10-29-2012, 02:10 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Lord forbid they create a few new jobs in this country to scan the damn cards and catalogue them.
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Old 10-29-2012, 02:12 PM   #20 (permalink)
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No need to get smart brother.

Just didn't understand what you were saying, and why your method was the "only way it would work".
To many patches and cards in total Topps releases

Anyway, the cards come damaged enough anyways Some 19 year old scanning them all would F them up more

Another plus for Leaf is everything is sleeved/toploaded
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Just scan everything and make a PDF?

It would have to be way more complex than that if you wanted it to be even remotely useful. Remember that even single jersey swatches would have to be included. That is millions of cards a year.
I'll admit, I am absolutely clueless to the inner-workings of the patch card production process. But it does seem like an automated system could be easily set up and, with very little intrusion into the current process, integrated into the production. In my mind, cards are moving along a conveyor, a hi-res digital image of each card is recorded and stored in a database, and automagical PHP/SQL scripts take care of the rest (creating web pages with images of each card, etc.).
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To many patches and cards in total Topps releases

Anyway, the cards come damaged enough anyways Some 19 year old scanning them all would F them up more

Another plus for Leaf is everything is sleeved/toploaded
Agreed on all accounts. I'm imagining that the process could be heavily automated though, and hi-res digital photos would suffice ... no need for the 19-year-old minimum-wager to scan each individual card.
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I'll admit, I am absolutely clueless to the inner-workings of the patch card production process. But it does seem like an automated system could be easily set up and, with very little intrusion into the current process, integrated into the production. In my mind, cards are moving along a conveyor, a hi-res digital image of each card is recorded and stored in a database, and automagical PHP/SQL scripts take care of the rest (creating web pages with images of each card, etc.).
I agree that it could probably be done relatively easily. But easily and cheaply usually are two separate things.

Edit: And by cheaply, I mean cost effective to the companies bottom line. My guess is Topps would be willing to absorb some cost, but not much. A lot would be passed on the the consumer.
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I agree that it could probably be done relatively easily. But easily and cheaply usually are two separate things.

Edit: And by cheaply, I mean cost effective to the companies bottom line. My guess is Topps would be willing to absorb some cost, but not much. A lot would be passed on the the consumer.
Agreed, then it is a matter of determining if the change is ultimately value-added or not. If this is how they are making their determination, then the more complaints they receive, the more willing they are to consider a change.
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Old 10-29-2012, 02:24 PM   #25 (permalink)
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The big problem is that they probably don't have a single manufacturing facility. So they would either have to ship all the finished jersey cards to a single location, scan them in, and then repack them for distribution. Way too expensive.

Or they'd have to set up a scanning process at each point of manufacture. Too prone to error and inconsistency and probably too expensive.



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Just scan everything and make a PDF?

It would have to be way more complex than that if you wanted it to be even remotely useful. Remember that even single jersey swatches would have to be included. That is millions of cards a year.
There would be no point in scanning/tracking non serial numbered jersey cards. So that removes a lot of thoese "millions."
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