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Old 10-31-2012, 04:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I picked up a paper copy of BA's latest mag, which contained the entire A.L. East top 10 lists. Already posted the O's and Sox, so here's the Rays. I typed this all out for you all.

Tampa Bay Rays
TOP TEN PROSPECTS
1. Chris Archer
2. Taylor Guerrieri
3. Hak-Ju Lee
4. Alex Colome
5. Richie Shaffer
6. Enny Romero
7. Blake Snell
8. Tim Beckham
9. Derek Dietrich
10. Drew Vettleson

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter for Average – Richie Shaffer
Best Power Hitter – Todd Glaesmann
Best Strike Zone Discipline – Richie Shaffer
Fastest Baserunner – Andrew Toles
Best Athlete – Andrew Toles
Best Fastball – Jesse Hahn
Best Curveball – Taylor Guerrieri
Best Slider – Chris Archer
Best Changeup – Parker Markel
Best Control – Taylor Guerrieri
Best Defensive Catcher – Mark Thomas
Best Defensive Infielder – Brandon Martin
Best Infield Arm – Tim Beckham
Best Defensive OF – Ty Morrison
Best Outfield Arm – Drew Vettleson

Projected 2017 Lineup
Catcher – Mark Thomas
First Base – Richie Shaffer
Second Base – Tim Beckham
Third Base – Evan Longoria
Shortstop – Hak-Ju Lee
Left Field – Mikie Mahtook
Center Field – Desmond Jennings
Right Field – Ben Zobrist
Designated Hitter – Matt Joyce
No. 1 Starter – David Price
No. 2 Starter – Matt Moore
No. 3 Starter – James Shields
No. 4 Starter – Chris Archer
No. 5 Starter – Jeremy Hellickson
Closer – Taylor Guerrieri (what?!)
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That is a heck of a rotation if you ask me.
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Old 10-31-2012, 04:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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That is a heck of a rotation if you ask me.
True, but their farm system is nowhere near what it once was.
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Old 10-31-2012, 05:06 PM   #4 (permalink)
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They can afford both Price *and* Shields 5 years from now?
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Old 10-31-2012, 05:11 PM   #5 (permalink)
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They can afford both Price *and* Shields 5 years from now?
The lineup card is not actually a predictor of what it'll look like in five years. Rather, it's a projection of both current Major Leaguers and prospects, based on who is currently in their system.
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Doesn't Archer profile better as a future closer than Guerrieri? I am also shocked that they have Archer as the #4 and Hellickson the #5.
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:59 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Doesn't Archer profile better as a future closer than Guerrieri? I am also shocked that they have Archer as the #4 and Hellickson the #5.
+1.

I would have flip-flopped the two, and will be asking Bill Ballew about this in the chat on Monday.

However, my guess is he put Guerrieri in that spot simply because he couldn't find room for him in the rotation.
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Amazing how their farm system has declined. Not good when Archer is your #1 prospect, he's a solid pitcher but probably not even Top 50 prospect in baseball.
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snell @ 7! hoping he moves up the charts
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I picked up a paper copy of BA's latest mag, which contained the entire A.L. East top 10 lists. Already posted the O's and Sox, so here's the Rays. I typed this all out for you all.

Tampa Bay Rays
TOP TEN PROSPECTS
1. Chris Archer
2. Taylor Guerrieri
3. Hak-Ju Lee
4. Alex Colome
5. Richie Shaffer
6. Enny Romero
7. Blake Snell
8. Tim Beckham
9. Derek Dietrich
10. Drew Vettleson

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter for Average – Richie Shaffer
Best Power Hitter – Todd Glaesmann
Best Strike Zone Discipline – Richie Shaffer
Fastest Baserunner – Andrew Toles
Best Athlete – Andrew Toles
Best Fastball – Jesse Hahn
Best Curveball – Taylor Guerrieri
Best Slider – Chris Archer
Best Changeup – Parker Markel
Best Control – Taylor Guerrieri
Best Defensive Catcher – Mark Thomas
Best Defensive Infielder – Brandon Martin
Best Infield Arm – Tim Beckham
Best Defensive OF – Ty Morrison
Best Outfield Arm – Drew Vettleson

Projected 2017 Lineup
Catcher – Mark Thomas
First Base – Richie Shaffer
Second Base – Tim Beckham
Third Base – Evan Longoria
Shortstop – Hak-Ju Lee
Left Field – Mikie Mahtook
Center Field – Desmond Jennings
Right Field – Ben Zobrist
Designated Hitter – Matt Joyce
No. 1 Starter – David Price
No. 2 Starter – Matt Moore
No. 3 Starter – James Shields
No. 4 Starter – Chris Archer
No. 5 Starter – Jeremy Hellickson
Closer – Taylor Guerrieri (what?!)

Their is no way longoria is going to be on the rays in 2017, their not going to be able to pay him the price he's asking. Same thing with Price
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Their is no way longoria is going to be on the rays in 2017, their not going to be able to pay him the price he's asking. Same thing with Price
BA does not take budget into account when compiling that list.
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Is the decline in their system because they have become successful at the major league level and do not have the #1 pick every year? Any other reason?
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Amazing how their farm system has declined. Not good when Archer is your #1 prospect, he's a solid pitcher but probably not even Top 50 prospect in baseball.
well think about why they had a top farm system in years past....they were dead last in the majors for the majority of the years until finally breaking through and making the playoffs so they always had a top 3 pick in the draft not to mention always being sellers at the trade deadline to strengthen their farm system even more.....neither of those are the case anymore so of course their system is going to take a hit. They are not big international spenders either so their farm doesnt improve on that aspect. They have mainly been relying on the draft to revamp the farm as they haven't traded anyone other than Garza in order to gain prospects back. They really should trade Shields and/or Price and get a big haul from them because after this year they probably wont have the money to keep them anyway.
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:03 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Is the decline in their system because they have become successful at the major league level and do not have the #1 pick every year? Any other reason?
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Injury-plagued Rays fall short
BY BILL BALLEW

The Rays fell three games short of making their fourth playoff appearance in five years in 2012, but they continued to serve as the template for small-revenue team success.

Tampa Bay won 90 games despite baseball’s sixth-lowest Opening Day payroll ($64.2 million) and a string of injuries. Perennial MVP candidate Evan Longoria and incumbent closer Kyle Farnsworth each missed half the season, and Jeff Niemann made just eight starts. The Rays had as many as 10 players on the disabled list at one time.

The offense wasn’t a juggernaut to begin with and sputtered to an 11th-place finish in the American League in scoring (4.30 runs per game) with Longoria sidelined for so long. But the Rays are used to doing more with less, and they compensated with pitching and defense.

Tampa Bay led the American League in ERA (3.19) and opponent average (.229) and set an AL record for strikeouts (1,383). David Price topped the league with 20 wins and a 2.56 ERA, while Fernando Rodney took over as closer and converted 48 of 50 save opportunities while establishing a major league relief record with a 0.60 ERA.

Though the Rays continued to rank near the bottom of the major leagues in payroll, their Opening Day figure did represent a 56 percent increase from 2011. The club’s efforts still have not been reciprocated by the fan base, however. Tampa Bay ranked last in the majors in attendance at 1.6 million—an average of 19,255 per game—which commissioner Bud Selig called inexcusable. Tropicana Field is outdated, but no progress is being made toward a new stadium, and political sparring between the cities of St. Petersburg (site of the current stadium) and Tampa hasn’t helped matters. As a result, the Rays are unlikely to keep boosting their payroll. Price is projected to set a record for second-year arbitration players with a salary approaching $10 million, and the departure of free agent B.J. Upton is all but assured.

Tampa Bay’s financial limitations mean that it will have to continue growing its own talent, but it now faces a lull in farm system production. The Rays are the only club that hasn’t graduated a single pick from the last five drafts to the majors.

After grabbing Price with the No. 1 overall pick and stealing Matt Moore in the eighth round of the 2007 draft, Tampa Bay chose infielder Tim Beckham over Buster Posey with the top overall selection in 2008. Beckham has hit just .264/.330/.379 in five minor league seasons and served a 50-game drug suspension in 2012. The Rays undermined their 2009 draft by failing to sign their top two choices, LeVon Washington and Kenny Diekroeger.

Tampa Bay’s more recent drafts show some promise, especially a 2011 crop that included a record 12 picks in the first two rounds. But with most of their best prospects currently in the lower levels of the minors, the Rays are unlikely to get much help for their big league club in the next couple of seasons.

They hope that their increased emphasis on the international front eventually will pick up some of the slack. Tampa Bay mined Venezuela heavily in 2012, signing lefthander Jose Castillo and righthander Jose Mujica for seven-figure bonuses and adding catcher David Rodriguez.
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Their is no way longoria is going to be on the rays in 2017, their not going to be able to pay him the price he's asking. Same thing with Price
Your right, but the steal of a deal they signed him to , making 11.5 million in 2016, best contact ever. Maybe only surpassed by Matt Moore's contact if he pans out. Have another four years of Longo so lets make the best of it !
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4 of the 5 in the starting rotation were there this year. Did they have one of these for the phillies OP?
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4 of the 5 in the starting rotation were there this year. Did they have one of these for the phillies OP?
The Phillies' list isn't live yet, and won't be until next month. They're doing the A.L. first.
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Amazing how their farm system has declined. Not good when Archer is your #1 prospect, he's a solid pitcher but probably not even Top 50 prospect in baseball.
Archer projects as a front-of the line starter if he can get his control together, and Snell might be the smartest pitcher in the minors (Kyle Crick may be in the discussion). This isn't a bad system at all.
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Archer projects as a front-of the line starter if he can get his control together, and Snell might be the smartest pitcher in the minors (Kyle Crick may be in the discussion). This isn't a bad system at all.
Agreed, but there is a gap like they mentioned. Once the 2011 class matures, the Rays will have a lot of decisions to make.

For this year, I am praying for a Shields for 1b trade for Christmas!
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Agreed, but there is a gap like they mentioned. Once the 2011 class matures, the Rays will have a lot of decisions to make.

For this year, I am praying for a Shields for 1b trade for Christmas!
Gonna have to agree with this, we REALLY need a power hitter at 1B, Pena just wasnt the answer. a Catcher would be nice too......
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