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Old 11-05-2012, 03:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey gang, just got notice from Beckett that my latest (and second ever) submission just popped. Don't have a pic to show yet, but I submitted a 2003 Topps Archives Nolan Ryan Fan Faves Auto.

It's a super cool card in the 1990 design, and although not numbered, the print run was announced at just 50, so I'm glad to have gotten a hold of it. They jobbed me on the auto grade at 9, but I can see where they got it from, knowing what they auto looked like. A 10 would have been nice, but whatever.

The big question I have for them, and that I have submitted the customer service is this (cut and pasted, so it's word for word what I sent them):

"Hello,

I have a question about the grading on this card. I have read all the FAQ's listed on your site, and I'm still a little confused.

The card received subgrades of:

Centering 8.5 / Corner 8.5 / Edges 9.5 / Surfaces 9.5,

but the final grade is only still a 8.5.

I understand it's not a simple average of the scores, but shouldn't 2 of the 4 grades being a gem mint 9.5 be enough to move the final grade just one level up to a 9? If both the 9.5 grades were both 2 whole levels down to an 8.5 (where all four would be 8.5), wouldn't the final grade still be a 8.5?

How can 2 of the 4 subgrades be two full levels over the final grade, but still not make any difference at all on the final grade? Thanks for any information you can provide to better explain this situation."

If any of you frequent submitters might also be able to shed some light on how they basically ignored the 9.5 subs, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks!
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Overall grade can only be .5 > lowest sub, unless it's Surface and the other 3 are 1.5+ Surface. I've had 3x10 1 8.5 = Gem.
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Overall grade can only be .5 > lowest sub, unless it's Surface and the other 3 are 1.5+ Surface. I've had 3x10 1 8.5 = Gem.
That would still mean a 9 for the card the OP is talking about right? I haven't graded much either so I don't really know the process. It seems like 8.5 8.5 9.5 9.5 would be a 9 tho.
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Also, the final grade is 'Never Higher than the 2nd lowest subgrade"
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Overall grade can only be .5 > lowest sub, unless it's Surface and the other 3 are 1.5+ Surface. I've had 3x10 1 8.5 = Gem.
I am new to grading. So I could get a 10 in centering edges corners and surface 8.5 and it would still grade a 10 overall? Or 9.5 centering edges corners and surface 8 and overall would be 9.5?
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Yeah, I submitted it knowing it wasn't gonna be a 9.5 unless the gods shone down on me that day... but looking at the subs I got, shouldn't the card at least have been bumped up to a 9 final grade?

I mean, does it make any sense that a card could be:

8.5 / 8.5 / 8.5 / 8.5 = 8.5
or
8.5 / 8.5 / 9.5 / 9.5 = 8.5

what's the purpose of the subgrades at all, if half of them being Gem Mint doesn't make a lick of difference compared to Nr-MT+?

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I am new to grading. So I could get a 10 in centering edges corners and surface 8.5 and it would still grade a 10 overall? Or 9.5 centering edges corners and surface 8 and overall would be 9.5?
No, a GEM is 9.5. You will never see a 10, 10, 10, 9 being a PRISTINE 10
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It takes 3 higher sub-grades to bump the overall grade .5 higher than the lowest sub.

Examples:

Centering: 8.5
Corners: 9.0
Edges: 9.0
Surface: 9.0
Overall: 9.0

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Centering: 9.5
Corners: 9.0
Edges: 9.0
Surface: 9.5
Overall: 9.0
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No, a GEM is 9.5. You will never see a 10, 10, 10, 9 being a PRISTINE 10
lol I think I need a manual for grading, I am unsure what to look at on cards and how grades actually work. The Beckett info on the site doesn't help lol need pictures or something, didn't mean to hijack thread either sorry.
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thanks for the info nhsportsguy! it makes sense to me, but only when all 3 subgrades are only .5 above the lowest sub as in your example. my example, yes, only 2 of the subs are above the lowest sub, but each by a full 1.0 (or two levels).

what doesn't make sense to me is that they're basically saying, "sure, you have 3 subs .5 over the lowest sub, so we'll bump ya .5, but when you have 2 subs a full 1.0 over, we'll just totally ignore that them altogether."

why should it be all (being 3 total subs over lowest sub) or nothing? i get that the emphasis would be placed on the first things you visually see when you look at a card, but in my instance, they're basically ignoring half the condition of the card to arrive at their final grade.
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Just received this from their customer service:

"Thanks for the email. Any time your lowest sub-grade occurs twice (in this case you have 2 8.5’s) the overall grade becomes that grade. For example, if you have a card that is 9.5, 9, 7, 7 then the overall grade is a 7. If 1 of the 8.5’s were a 9 then the overall grade would have been a 9.

Thanks,
BGS"

I guess that means I'll be waiting for a on-site RCR/GCR at my LCS which happens every few months or so. I wanna display my card already, so I'm not gonna resub through the mail, but it might be worth the 10 bones in person to see if I can get a sub bump on the centering or corners.
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A 9 can not have more then one 8.5 or lower grade
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