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Old 11-26-2012, 09:37 PM   #176 (permalink)
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????? the Large Distributors get 100's of cases at a clip. Topps isn't controlling anything.

Bowman Draft isn't about collecting.... let that sink in first....... people prospect on certain players. and being able to aquire 1000 at a time is EXACTLY what prospectors want.

10% of the hobby case run won't mess with the market at all.
but if you have 1000, the other guy has 1000, and the next guy has 1000, how is that going to work? is it realistic to just think you can load up to infinity? and people will still buy them? even if the prospect was nolan ryan? I mean how many rookie cards are you really going to sell?
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but if you have 1000, the other guy has 1000, and the next guy has 1000, how is that going to work? is it realistic to just think you can load up to infinity? and people will still buy them? even if the prospect was nolan ryan? I mean how many rookie cards are you really going to sell?
i take it you don't follow baseball or prospecting?

when a player gets hot, that 50 cent base card easily turns into $3+....... and yes, 1000's will easily sell and be absorbed by the market.
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i take it you don't follow baseball or prospecting?

when a player gets hot, that 50 cent base card easily turns into $3+....... and yes, 1000's will easily sell and be absorbed by the market.
i'm familiar with what your saying, I just didn't realize thousands and thousands of rookies would sell. it would seem that the throat would get cut on it, for example if you have 10k, you drop your price down to $3 where it could have been $20. whats the point just to load it until it explodes? there is only going to be X amount of people who buy a rookie card. not saying your wrong, just stating the way I view it and trying to understand more. for example, seemed like trout rookie cards went high because not as many people had them at the time, where as harpers went high then cooled off a bit? because it was new and so many of them? is that right?
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There are just so many dishonest people on Ebay. I could see some accusations, chargebacks, negative feedback if they don't get what they were expecting.

This is in NO WAY my opinion of the seller as I hear he's a good dude. I just know how people operate, fair or unfair.
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1.5 Chrome prospects per pack (0.5 chrome RC's per pack) / 24 packs per box / 12 boxes per case / 5,000 cases.

2,160,000 total chrome prospects / 220 prospects = 9,818 total print run per prospect. (Closer to 9,500 probably as factoring in jumbo cases in the run of 5,000 lowers the print run) Factor in refractors, Blues, Golds, Oranges, Reds, Plates and a Super, you're looking at roughly 8,000 base chrome prospects per player and 1,500 - 1,750 colored chrome prospects.

Paper is about 2x - 2.5x as prominent and this 50% - 60% less valuable
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There are just so many dishonest CARD people on Ebay. I could see some accusations, chargebacks, negative feedback if they don't get what they were expecting.

This is in NO WAY my opinion of the seller as I hear he's a good dude. I just know how people operate, fair or unfair.
I fixed it for you.. I have never had any complaints except from card people on eBay.. it is amazing.
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i'm familiar with what your saying, I just didn't realize thousands and thousands of rookies would sell. it would seem that the throat would get cut on it, for example if you have 10k, you drop your price down to $3 where it could have been $20. whats the point just to load it until it explodes? there is only going to be X amount of people who buy a rookie card. not saying your wrong, just stating the way I view it and trying to understand more. for example, seemed like trout rookie cards went high because not as many people had them at the time, where as harpers went high then cooled off a bit? because it was new and so many of them? is that right?
Yes, in the past at least, you could easily sell through 1000+ non-autoed prospect bowman chromes. When a prospect heats up, lots of 10 - 100 sell very easily. Larger lots, at times, can be even more in demand than their smaller counterparts.

Even with autographed versions, I've sold them in relative quantity. Multiple times, I've sold through over 200+ autographed chrome (base and parallels) of a single player in relatively short time periods (less than two weeks).

As for Harper and Trout, they spiked due to market demand. Harper was hot from the start, had a lot of media coverage and was playing very well for his age. Trout's stats were incredible - no one expected it but there were plenty of his cards available out there. While the amount of increase of Trout's cards was more than usual, there have been numerous players over the years to see significant increases during the season compared to what they could have been purchased for at an earlier time - Ryan Braun, Evan Longoria, Delmon Young, Phil Hughes, Jacoby Ellsbury, Wil Myers, Tim Lincecum, Buster Posey, Matt Kemp, Joe Mauer, etc.
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I like the idea of buying or bidding on what you want rather than a lame randomized draft.
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Geesh ... not a good sign for the product.

2012 Bowman Draft Chrome Albert Almora Refractor RC Auto Chicago Cubs Rookie SP | eBay

$50 for the best refractor auto (granted, it's a lousy auto and off center) but a Soler would have gone for triple that day one.

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Well the blue Zunino is already over $100
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Geesh ... not a good sign for the product.

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$50 for the best refractor auto (granted, it's a lousy auto and off center) but a Soler would have gone for triple that day one.

Almora already has a ton of autos.
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Zunino Printing Plate 1/1 Auto listed.

Man is that card in rough shape. Might not grade a 2!

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Russell refractor auto seems to be fairing OK: 2012 Bowman Draft Chrome ADDISON RUSSELL AUTO REFRACTOR ROOKIE RC 1-Day Auction! | eBay
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Wow ... Almora really selling low then. Russell is looking good!
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Zunino Printing Plate 1/1 Auto listed.

Man is that card in rough shape. Might not grade a 2!

2012 BOWMAN CHROME DRAFT MIKE ZUZINO AUTO PRINTING PLATE #D 1/1 ONE OF ONE | eBay
Misspelling his name doesn't help the auction out either
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Geesh ... not a good sign for the product.

2012 Bowman Draft Chrome Albert Almora Refractor RC Auto Chicago Cubs Rookie SP | eBay

$50 for the best refractor auto (granted, it's a lousy auto and off center) but a Soler would have gone for triple that day one.

Zunino is the best auto in this product but to your point, it isn't a good sign for the value of singles, especially for the people who think there will be several guys whose base autos will sell for $30+.
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Misspelling his name doesn't help the auction out either
LMAO can't believed I missed that...priceless.
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Ummm ... did this just happen for the 50/50 chance to hit ONE base auto?

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Equally absurd I suppose ...

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Man that's just plain nuts.
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You don't even have the chance to hit a Super in either situation. It's just illogical to think that those two final prices have any chance to come out ahead.

I just don't understand. If Boomo is really lucky, he'll pull three total, so someone walks away with two.

Amazing.
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Ummm ... did this just happen for the 50/50 chance to hit ONE base auto?

BRYCE HARPER 2012 BOWMAN DRAFT 50 CASE BREAK, EVERY AUTO AUTOGRAPH IN 50 CASES | eBay
Wow! that person will flip when he gets nothing, one or two at the most. Don't get me wrong, obviously it is their fault for bidding without knowing anything about the odds of pulling Harper RC autos in this product. But yes, there will definitely be complaints on the seller. He could always start a new account though and will be known in the hobby forever for this ingenious run of auctions.
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Ummm ... did this just happen for the 50/50 chance to hit ONE base auto?

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haha... outsniped by $500
guess I do not have to second guess my bid amount.

Some people just play the lotto a little more often ( and heavy ) than others, I guess.
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But there's no lotto here at this price.

Who would buy a $1,300 lottery ticket when the absolute best prize was $2,000 (and you have a 5% chance of hitting it) and there's a 50/50 chance you lose it all?

Madness.
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Personally...if I had all that dough to burn, I'd rather put it towards tomorrow night's Powerball. But that's just me.
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