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Old 12-14-2012, 09:00 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Yea ok dickey has been a good pitcher the last 3 years , check the stats buddy
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:00 PM   #102 (permalink)
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A 38 year old Cy Young winner that has not been good throughout his career.
In fairness he has been quite good the last 3 years, although last year his strikeout rate spiked by almost 3k's/9. I would imagine it was an anomaly and it will regress to around 5 or 6 this year. He would still be a good pitcher, just not worth an elite prospect in my mind. As I said earlier, if TDA is involved, the deal is bigger in my opinion.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:04 PM   #103 (permalink)
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In fairness he has been quite good the last 3 years, although last year his strikeout rate spiked by almost 3k's/9. I would imagine it was an anomaly and it will regress to around 5 or 6 this year. He would still be a good pitcher, just not worth an elite prospect in my mind. As I said earlier, if TDA is involved, the deal is bigger in my opinion.
I never said he hasn't been good the last 3 years, I said he's 38. If a pitcher hits his prime in 36, are we expecting him to be elite into his 40's?
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:07 PM   #104 (permalink)
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I never said he hasn't been good the last 3 years, I said he's 38. If a pitcher hits his prime in 36, are we expecting him to be elite into his 40's?
Umm, pretty sure you said he hasn't been good throughout his career. Either way, who cares, if the jays get him I'll be jacked. If d'arnaud is in the deal it just means we are getting something else, maybe a davis in an expanded deal, or maybe a bullpen arm. Whatever happens, this team is miles better than it was last year....I mean kilometers better.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:10 PM   #105 (permalink)
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I never said he hasn't been good the last 3 years, I said he's 38. If a pitcher hits his prime in 36, are we expecting him to be elite into his 40's?
There's no reason to believe he can't still be an effective pitcher into his 40's.

You could've said in 2010 "He's 36. This is just a fluke."
You could've said in 2011 "He's 37 years old! It's all down hill from here."
It's 2012, and he's 38 years old and coming off a dominating year. He's just proving that age doesn't matter for a knuckle ball pitcher like himself.

If anything, really being in the league for only 3 years with the knuckle ball would only help him because it's still relatively new to the league.

Phil Niekro was throwing 200+ innings at 47. Wakefield was still effective at 44. Why can't Dickey be able to do that, especially when he's only been here for three years, while those guys were in the league since their twenties?
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:11 PM   #106 (permalink)
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Umm, pretty sure you said he hasn't been good throughout his career. Either way, who cares, if the jays get him I'll be jacked. If d'arnaud is in the deal it just means we are getting something else, maybe a davis in an expanded deal, or maybe a bullpen arm. Whatever happens, this team is miles better than it was last year....I mean kilometers better.
It would most likely be a pitcher like Mejia or Familia. The Mets would not be giving up Ike. They're looking for young, cheap, team control hitters, and that's exaclty what Ike is.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:13 PM   #107 (permalink)
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There's no reason to believe he can't still be an effective pitcher into his 40's.

You could've said in 2010 "He's 36. This is just a fluke."
You could've said in 2011 "He's 37 years old! It's all down hill from here."
It's 2012, and he's 38 years old and coming off a dominating year. He's just proving that age doesn't matter for a knuckle ball pitcher like himself.

If anything, really being in the league for only 3 years with the knuckle ball would only help him because it's still relatively new to the league.

Phil Niekro was throwing 200+ innings at 47. Wakefield was still effective at 44. Why can't Dickey be able to do that, especially when he's only been here for three years, while those guys were in the league since their twenties?
What 44 year old Wakefield are you talking about?
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What 44 year old Wakefield are you talking about?
I was really aiming for innings pitched, and he had 154.2. My point is that Dickey should still be able to pitch well into his 40's.
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I was really aiming for innings pitched, and he had 154.2. My point is that Dickey should still be able to pitch well into his 40's.
Doesn't matter if he is not effective.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:26 PM   #110 (permalink)
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Doesn't matter if he is not effective.
He's only asking for a two year extension. Plenty of non knuckle-ballers have been effective into their age 40-41 seasons.
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Doesn't matter if he is not effective.
Alright, but he still gave the Sox some innings. Obviously not the greatest example to compare to Dickey, but it's just another reason to see why it's not ridiculous to think Dickey can pitch into his 40's. He's better than Wakefield, and if Wakefield could still give 150+ innings at age 44, Dickey should be able to no problem and still be a good pitcher, assuming he doesn't suffer any freak injury.
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Alright, but he still gave the Sox some innings. Obviously not the greatest example to compare to Dickey, but it's just another reason to see why it's not ridiculous to think Dickey can pitch into his 40's. He's better than Wakefield, and if Wakefield could still give 150+ innings at age 44, Dickey should be able to no problem and still be a good pitcher, assuming he doesn't suffer any freak injury.
Comparisons to Wakefield are unfair to Dickey. Wake was NEVER as dominant as Dickey has been the past couple years.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:33 PM   #113 (permalink)
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Alright, but he still gave the Sox some innings. Obviously not the greatest example to compare to Dickey, but it's just another reason to see why it's not ridiculous to think Dickey can pitch into his 40's. He's better than Wakefield, and if Wakefield could still give 150+ innings at age 44, Dickey should be able to no problem and still be a good pitcher, assuming he doesn't suffer any freak injury.
Ricky Romero gave us innings this past season.
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Ricky Romero gave us innings this past season.
You obviously aren't getting what I'm trying to say, so I'll just stop here.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:35 PM   #115 (permalink)
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You obviously aren't getting what I'm trying to say, so I'll just stop here.
(I actually do get what you were saying, it was a joke...)
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:38 PM   #116 (permalink)
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(I actually do get what you were saying, it was a joke...)
It's tough to tell when I'm only reading it and not hearing it.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:51 PM   #117 (permalink)
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any news on dickey?
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any news on dickey?
That's what I'm wondering what's going on, can I expect to wake up checking my iPhone like a kid running to the tree on Xmas morning hoping for a breaking news trade?
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Guessing the lack of anything finalized is because of Dickey's reported unwillingness to sign an extension with Toronto.

As for Dickey, I'll say it again...I don't think anyone sensible is saying he won't be able to pitch effectively into his forties. But unless he can duplicate his 2012 season two or three more times, the asking price of D'Arnaud + just seems much too high.
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Blue Jays sign Dickey to 3yr $62m contract.

As I said it was close...and now its finalized.


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Who's Dickry?
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Blue Jays sign Dickey to 3yr $62m contract.

As I said it was close...and now its finalized.
Source? And for who?
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Blue Jays sign Dickey to 3yr $62m contract.

As I said it was close...and now its finalized.


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BREAKING: #BlueJays sign R.A. Dickey to a 3 year $62M contract.
What was the trade? I might need a more offical source before I believe it.
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Blue Jays sign Dickey to 3yr $62m contract.

As I said it was close...and now its finalized.


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BREAKING: #BlueJays sign R.A. Dickey to a 3 year $62M contract.
Thinking that is a fake account, it is fake "certified".
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