Craig Biggio is a 1st Ballot HOFer!!!!!!

Astronix · 01-09-2013, 09:10 PM

The Baseball Writers acted like a bunch of teenage girls today trying to set an exapmple by not voting Craig Biggio to the HOF as a 1st Ballot Hall of Famer!

In my opinion they were dead set on no one getting in during this class to put Bonds and Clemens in their place. They wanted history to show that in the biggest PED class in history that no one was voted in, even if that meant innocent bystanders such as Jack Morris and Biggio would not get the required 75%.

Only two people that are eligible for the HOF in the 3,000 hit club that are not in are Pete Rose (Gambling) and Rafael Palmero (PED). The other player with 3,000 is Derek Jeter and the only difference between him and Biggio is Jeter was lucky enough to be drafted by the $2 Billion Yankees instead of the Astros (Astros top scout at the time Hal Newhouser quit after the Stros selected Phil Nevin in the 1st round instead of Jeter).

And for the writers who say some players are 1st ballot HOFers and some are not: you are either a HOFER or NOT! This is why no one watches baseball anymore and Football is America's Game!

OK, now that I've had my rant, I feel better...

death2redemptions · 01-09-2013, 09:11 PM

Yes, I thought Biggio should have got in. Biggio and Piazza are the only two players I thought deserved to get in through first ballot

hotbox · 01-09-2013, 09:12 PM

Mike Piazza

I agree, I was rooting for Biggio.

Tugarpj · 01-09-2013, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astronix

This is why no one watches baseball anymore and Football is America's Game!

OK, now that I've had my rant, I feel better...

I watch baseball and don't give a rats ass about football. And this vote has nothing to do with the sport's popularity.

frozenntimesports · 01-09-2013, 09:13 PM

Alomar and Larkin had to wait.

death2redemptions · 01-09-2013, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tugarpj

I watch baseball and don't give a rats ass about football.

Football sucks! Baseball is the only sport I care about

Astronix · 01-09-2013, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotbox

Mike Piazza

I agree, I was rooting for Biggio.

I agree that Piazza should have got in. He is in the same boat as Bagwell, because writers assume he was using PED's even though there is no evidence or testimony to prove it, they judge him guilty.

I admit, there is a possibility they used, but you could say that about any player who played over the last 20 years, are they going to close the HOF and say no more players will ever be voted in again? t

These writers were the same ones praising these guys during their careers, and none of them said a WORD during their career about suspicions.

Bars and Bar · 01-09-2013, 09:17 PM

Biggio used PEDs. I can't prove it, but I know it.

Tugarpj · 01-09-2013, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bars and Bar

Biggio took PEDs. I can't prove it, but I know it.

You've posted that twice. Want to expound?

metsandweezer · 01-09-2013, 09:18 PM

biggio= steroids

Astronix · 01-09-2013, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tugarpj

I watch baseball and don't give a rats ass about football. And this vote has nothing to do with the sport's popularity.

In other news, baseball is finally joining the 20th century by using CELL PHONES to call for relievers. They clarified that not all teams would be making this jump. It's becoming an old man's game and a joke.

ETSC · 01-09-2013, 09:21 PM

I've been a life long Astros fan and I was not happy as well, but Joe DiMaggio wasn't a first ballot HOFer either.

Astronix · 01-09-2013, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bars and Bar

Biggio used PEDs. I can't prove it, but I know it.

Who cares anymore? MLB didn't care until they were forced too.

Astronix · 01-09-2013, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ETSC

I've been a life long Astros fan and I was not happy as well, but Joe DiMaggio wasn't a first ballot HOFer either.

More proof of the idiocy of baseball writers.

Tugarpj · 01-09-2013, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astronix

In other news, baseball is finally joining the 20th century by using CELL PHONES to call for relievers. They clarified that not all teams would be making this jump. It's becoming an old man's game and a joke.

Yep...cell phone useage defines the younger generation of baseball fans.

Guess that's why attendance was through the roof last year.

Astronix · 01-09-2013, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tugarpj

Yep...cell phone useage defines the younger generation of baseball fans.

Guess that's why attendance was through the roof last year.

I don't count the corporate season tickets that no one uses.

The World Series is usually about a 7 TV rating and the average REGULAR season NFL game averages a 10.

bronxbomber33 · 01-09-2013, 09:32 PM

Biggio does deserve to be in the hall, although not on the first ballot. I believe only 21
% of hall of famers got in one their first ballot, I don't think Biggio is in the top 21% of all baseball players. He was a great player and deserves to be in just not the first time around!! just my two cents.

Tugarpj · 01-09-2013, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astronix

I don't count the corporate season tickets that no one uses.

The World Series is usually about a 7 TV rating and the average REGULAR season NFL game averages a 10.

It's all about betting. More degenerate gambler fans in football than in baseball.
And that corporate season ticket line is crap. The Tigs seats were filled every game I went to this year.

Astronix · 01-09-2013, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tugarpj

It's all about betting. More degenerate gambler fans in football than in baseball.
And that corporate season ticket line is crap. The Tigs seats were filled every game I went to this year.

That's because they were a contender, how about Miami in a BRAND NEW stadium? The Astros couldn't give away tickets. Even when the Texans were the worst team in football, they sold out every game.

dlab85 · 01-09-2013, 09:41 PM

Biggio has no tangible evidence connecting him to steroids. 3000 hits is an incredible accomplishment, and he should have gone in.

If there is reason to suspect Biggio, why not Rickey Henderson or Dennis Eckersley? Rickey Henderson saw the biggest power spike of his career after age 30, while being Jose Canseco's teammate. Am I saying he did it? No, but I would not be shocked if it eventually came out that he did and I really wouldn't care either way. Look at Eck's numbers pre and post Canseco... it's telling really. What about Goose Gossage's #'s in his one year with Canseco?

I, for one, have no problem electing steroids guys to the Hall of Fame. The Hall is a museum and its a shame that the greatest power hitter and pitcher of all time by the numbers are not in. We can't ignore history, even the negative parts of it. The Hall is full of guys who were drunks, racists, womanizers, amphetamine users etc. Why is moral character as a criteria limited to the use of steroids? Ty Cobb, there was a guy with great character.

To paraphrase Russell Crowe in Gladiator, "Were you not entertained?"

Tugarpj · 01-09-2013, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astronix

That's because they were a contender, how about Miami in a BRAND NEW stadium? The Astros couldn't give away tickets. Even when the Texans were the worst team in football, they sold out every game.

8 home games is a lot easier to sell out than 80.

death2redemptions · 01-09-2013, 09:46 PM

I could care less what sport the "majority" of people watch...I don't watch a sport because everybody else is. I love baseball...I don't like football. Who cares what is more popular

Tugarpj · 01-09-2013, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by death2redemptions

I could care less what sport the "majority" of people watch...I don't watch a sport because everybody else is. I love baseball...I don't like football. Who cares what is more popular

Well stated!

gonygo · 01-09-2013, 09:56 PM

Biggio was a very good player for a long time...Not a Hof'er..no way. However, i'd take him on my team any day...

mfw13 · 01-09-2013, 09:57 PM

Care to make a case why he is a HOFer that doesn't include the fact that he got 3000 hits?

Here's my argument for why he is NOT an HOFer:

-Only finished in the top 5 in MVP voting twice in twenty years, and never in the top 3.
-Only was an All-Star seven times in twenty years
-Only finished in the top ten in WAR twice in twenty years.
-Only ranked in the top ten in OPS once in twenty years.
-Was a net negative WAR player (-0.2) over the course of his final three seasons, during which he collected his final 421 hits and passed the 3000 hit mark.
-Was only a career .281 hitter, meaning that his 3000 hits were a product of getting tons of AB as the Astros leadoff hitter, rather than being a particularly good hitter. All the other members of the 3000 hit either hit over
.300 for their career or have 400 HR except for four players: Kaline (399 HR, .297 avg), Rickey Henderson & Lou Brock (special cases because of their SB), and Robin Yount (who I don't think should be in the HOF).

01-09-2013, 09:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
Astronix Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,200 astronixcards astronix	Craig Biggio is a 1st Ballot HOFer!!!!!! The Baseball Writers acted like a bunch of teenage girls today trying to set an exapmple by not voting Craig Biggio to the HOF as a 1st Ballot Hall of Famer! In my opinion they were dead set on no one getting in during this class to put Bonds and Clemens in their place. They wanted history to show that in the biggest PED class in history that no one was voted in, even if that meant innocent bystanders such as Jack Morris and Biggio would not get the required 75%. Only two people that are eligible for the HOF in the 3,000 hit club that are not in are Pete Rose (Gambling) and Rafael Palmero (PED). The other player with 3,000 is Derek Jeter and the only difference between him and Biggio is Jeter was lucky enough to be drafted by the $2 Billion Yankees instead of the Astros (Astros top scout at the time Hal Newhouser quit after the Stros selected Phil Nevin in the 1st round instead of Jeter). And for the writers who say some players are 1st ballot HOFers and some are not: you are either a HOFER or NOT! This is why no one watches baseball anymore and Football is America's Game! OK, now that I've had my rant, I feel better... __________________ My ebay store is my bucket. Always considering trades/offers.

01-09-2013, 09:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
death2redemptions Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Scottsdale Arizona Posts: 6,311 ddavisaz	Yes, I thought Biggio should have got in. Biggio and Piazza are the only two players I thought deserved to get in through first ballot __________________ If it is any consolation, I ignored the Death2redemptions tard months ago. he gets sad and starts lashing out and trying to hurt people....he doesn't troll, he just likes to lash out as if the internet was a real thing and hopes his words hurt....people like that are a waste of time ~ Gibberish

01-09-2013, 09:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
hotbox Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: New York Posts: 5,029	Mike Piazza I agree, I was rooting for Biggio. __________________ Bucket: http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/hotboxcards/library/?sort=3&page=1 ONLY SHIPPING WITHIN THE US at this time. I am a die hard METS, JETS, and NETS fan, and I PC Deron Williams.

01-09-2013, 09:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
frozenntimesports Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Emmaus, PA Posts: 8,814 frozenntimesports frozenntimesports	Alomar and Larkin had to wait. __________________ Be Excellent to Each Other!

01-09-2013, 09:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
Bars and Bar Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 5,118 barsandbar	Biggio used PEDs. I can't prove it, but I know it. __________________ http://s1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60/barsandbar/ "No one is viewing this for the cards, they come to see the next stupid thing you're going to say" -JthJays19

01-09-2013, 09:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
metsandweezer Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Las Vegas....We NEED A Baseball Team! Posts: 4,567 Cascardo4	biggio= steroids __________________ If you don't like pie, we need to have a talk.

01-09-2013, 09:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
ETSC Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Longview, Texas Posts: 1,330 ShopVarsityCollectibles	I've been a life long Astros fan and I was not happy as well, but Joe DiMaggio wasn't a first ballot HOFer either. __________________ Twitter: @VarsityCollect Photobucket: http://s1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg484/easttexassportscards1/VINCE%20-%20FOR%20SALE%20AND%20SOLD/ Always Looking For: Bob Gibson and Giancarlo Stanton

01-09-2013, 09:32 PM	#17 (permalink)
bronxbomber33 Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 1,807 kevbo617	Biggio does deserve to be in the hall, although not on the first ballot. I believe only 21 % of hall of famers got in one their first ballot, I don't think Biggio is in the top 21% of all baseball players. He was a great player and deserves to be in just not the first time around!! just my two cents. __________________ Looking for Richie Shaffer & Archie Bradley & Jackie Bradley Jr. 1985 Donruss Signed cards- 126/653=18.8% http://s1134.photobucket.com/albums/m609/bronxbomber33/

01-09-2013, 09:41 PM	#20 (permalink)
dlab85 Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: MA Posts: 3,608 danes_deals dlab85	Biggio has no tangible evidence connecting him to steroids. 3000 hits is an incredible accomplishment, and he should have gone in. If there is reason to suspect Biggio, why not Rickey Henderson or Dennis Eckersley? Rickey Henderson saw the biggest power spike of his career after age 30, while being Jose Canseco's teammate. Am I saying he did it? No, but I would not be shocked if it eventually came out that he did and I really wouldn't care either way. Look at Eck's numbers pre and post Canseco... it's telling really. What about Goose Gossage's #'s in his one year with Canseco? I, for one, have no problem electing steroids guys to the Hall of Fame. The Hall is a museum and its a shame that the greatest power hitter and pitcher of all time by the numbers are not in. We can't ignore history, even the negative parts of it. The Hall is full of guys who were drunks, racists, womanizers, amphetamine users etc. Why is moral character as a criteria limited to the use of steroids? Ty Cobb, there was a guy with great character. To paraphrase Russell Crowe in Gladiator, "Were you not entertained?" __________________ Follow me on Twitter @85CaseBreaks uStream link - http://www.ustream.tv/channel/dlab85-case-breaks

01-09-2013, 09:46 PM	#22 (permalink)
death2redemptions Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Scottsdale Arizona Posts: 6,311 ddavisaz	I could care less what sport the "majority" of people watch...I don't watch a sport because everybody else is. I love baseball...I don't like football. Who cares what is more popular __________________ If it is any consolation, I ignored the Death2redemptions tard months ago. he gets sad and starts lashing out and trying to hurt people....he doesn't troll, he just likes to lash out as if the internet was a real thing and hopes his words hurt....people like that are a waste of time ~ Gibberish

01-09-2013, 09:56 PM	#24 (permalink)
gonygo Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: U.S./east coast Posts: 2,520	Biggio was a very good player for a long time...Not a Hof'er..no way. However, i'd take him on my team any day... __________________ Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. I'm both

01-09-2013, 09:57 PM	#25 (permalink)
mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 395	Care to make a case why he is a HOFer that doesn't include the fact that he got 3000 hits? Here's my argument for why he is NOT an HOFer: -Only finished in the top 5 in MVP voting twice in twenty years, and never in the top 3. -Only was an All-Star seven times in twenty years -Only finished in the top ten in WAR twice in twenty years. -Only ranked in the top ten in OPS once in twenty years. -Was a net negative WAR player (-0.2) over the course of his final three seasons, during which he collected his final 421 hits and passed the 3000 hit mark. -Was only a career .281 hitter, meaning that his 3000 hits were a product of getting tons of AB as the Astros leadoff hitter, rather than being a particularly good hitter. All the other members of the 3000 hit either hit over .300 for their career or have 400 HR except for four players: Kaline (399 HR, .297 avg), Rickey Henderson & Lou Brock (special cases because of their SB), and Robin Yount (who I don't think should be in the HOF).

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode