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Old 01-23-2013, 08:58 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Another reaosn for the locations is because of how huge the National is. If you have ever been, not too many convention centers could properly house the event with a good setup. BTW I thought the National was awesome in Baltimore but I don't have another to compare it to. I know a lot of sellers who were really happy too.
Huge? You should've seen it 8 years ago. It's at about 50-60% of what it was in 2003-04.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:04 AM   #102 (permalink)
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Hope none of you have the disgusting life altering time like this poor fella did.

Just got to baltimore... wow was that a pain...
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:05 AM   #103 (permalink)
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I think this is an important point. There are tons of shows every year in the Upper Midwest/Northeast. Chicago itself has several shows each year that are of comparable quality to the National.

If the National is held occasionally in other parts of the country it will bring in a huge number of collectors who have never been to a show like the National before.

I've lived in Seattle since 2000, for example. In all that time, there hasn't been a single card show with more than 50 tables.

I grew up in San Francisco. Even though the Bay Area is one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country, there are only two major shows a year there (TriStar at the Cow Palace, and one in the South Bay).

Not sure what the situation is in Southern California, so I'll let someone else speak to that.

My point is that there is a huge segment of collectors who are not being served by the National, and never will be if it is always held in Chicago/Cleveland/Baltimore.
Here is the problem with having the show in the west. You can't get the wax dealers to set up huge displays.

The big 3 wax dealers (BO, D&A, and Peach State) are all East Coast located.

BO - Virginia
D&A - New York
PS - Georgia

Are they really going to load up a truck and dive all the way out west? No, absolutely not. The profit margin is already so small, why waste the money? Especially when it's been proven that the west coast National shows DON'T DO THAT WELL.

D&A usually has around 12-15 tables of stuff. In 2006 (Anaheim), they had 6. If they ever had a show in the midwest or west, you might get the attendance up slightly but the dealer displays would be down.

Sounds to me like a lot of sour grapes on your end.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:08 AM   #104 (permalink)
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Hope none of you have the disgusting life altering time like this poor fella did.

Just got to baltimore... wow was that a pain...
Sounds to me like that "poor fella" is an inexperienced traveler. Although it made me laugh because he's such a DOOOOOSSSSSHHHHHHHH!
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Old 01-23-2013, 10:44 AM   #105 (permalink)
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This is why they go to Cleveland. The I-X Center is a big building. Im guessing they used about half of the available space when I went in '07. Plus there is a lot to do sports wise in NE Ohio cause it's usually the same weekend as the WGC event at Firestone in Akron and the HOF induction in Canton. It actually kind of sucks knowing all the potential signers in the area already who cant go.
Oh I see, makes sense. I was in the Cleveland area last summer for a few days, and really enjoyed the East Lake area. I didn't care for Canton at all though.
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:05 AM   #106 (permalink)
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I live in Illinois, what city is it going to be in?
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Old 01-23-2013, 05:43 PM   #107 (permalink)
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:23 PM   #108 (permalink)
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:27 PM   #109 (permalink)
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Here is the problem with having the show in the west. You can't get the wax dealers to set up huge displays.

The big 3 wax dealers (BO, D&A, and Peach State) are all East Coast located.

BO - Virginia
D&A - New York
PS - Georgia

Are they really going to load up a truck and dive all the way out west? No, absolutely not. The profit margin is already so small, why waste the money? Especially when it's been proven that the west coast National shows DON'T DO THAT WELL.

D&A usually has around 12-15 tables of stuff. In 2006 (Anaheim), they had 6. If they ever had a show in the midwest or west, you might get the attendance up slightly but the dealer displays would be down.

Sounds to me like a lot of sour grapes on your end.
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1 - If those dealers are not willing to load up a truck and drive to the west coast once every 3-4 years, I'm sure the National can survive without them. The problem now is that the location of the show is determined by the dealers, and as a result, dealer convenience has become the driving force behind location selection, rather than what is good for the hobby or collectors as a whole.

2 - Who says a west coast National would not do well? There has only been one in the last twenty years (Anaheim 2006), which isn't much of a sample size.

3 - Hell yes, I've got sour grapes! As I said, I live in Seattle, where there hasn't been a decent card show in years. I've been able to combine business trips to the Bay Area with the SF Tri-Star show a few times, but I'm dying to go to a show like the National. But I can't afford to drop $1000 just in transportation/hotel costs simply to go.
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1 - If those dealers are not willing to load up a truck and drive to the west coast once every 3-4 years, I'm sure the National can survive without them. The problem now is that the location of the show is determined by the dealers, and as a result, dealer convenience has become the driving force behind location selection, rather than what is good for the hobby or collectors as a whole.

2 - Who says a west coast National would not do well? There has only been one in the last twenty years (Anaheim 2006), which isn't much of a sample size.

3 - Hell yes, I've got sour grapes! As I said, I live in Seattle, where there hasn't been a decent card show in years. I've been able to combine business trips to the Bay Area with the SF Tri-Star show a few times, but I'm dying to go to a show like the National. But I can't afford to drop $1000 just in transportation/hotel costs simply to go.
1 - Bawahahahahahahahaahaha! Wrapper redemptions account for about 80% of the traffic and activities at the National.

2 - They've only had 1 show in the last 20 years, that should tell you something.

3 - Rub you nickels together, maybe they'll mate.
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Im praying that i can go, but its a long haul from philly
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:31 PM   #112 (permalink)
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How can you live in Illinois when you're invisible
That? Well I may be invisible but invisible people do have homes you know.

I see its in Chicago. I believe I can get there by train so maybe its a $2.50 trip for me. Ive never been to a card show though so im wondering how much it costs just to get in
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:16 AM   #113 (permalink)
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It is out by O'Hare in Rosemont. National Sports Collectors Convention – Cards, Memorabilia, Autographs
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:34 PM   #114 (permalink)
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That? Well I may be invisible but invisible people do have homes you know.

I see its in Chicago. I believe I can get there by train so maybe its a $2.50 trip for me. Ive never been to a card show though so im wondering how much it costs just to get in
Yep it's in rosemont illinois....Glad you didn't take it too hard It's a little hard to find your way the first time....Just follow the crowds when you get in the building and eventually you'll arrive....You'll be mightily impressed I guarentee it
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Old 01-27-2013, 07:11 PM   #115 (permalink)
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I have set up as a dealer at several different Nationals. From a dealers perspective Chicaga is simply the best location. It is centrally located with major cities within a days drive. Flights are reasonable and the convention center is close to the airport. It has a large and passionate fan base in every major sport.

Have done the last two Nationals in CA and both were disapointing from a sales perspective. Great location if you want to be able to write off a vacation, but the sales simply were not comparable to the midwest and Baltimore.

Wish the National would return to Atlanta but don't think it will happen for the same reason as the west coast, the customers simply didn't turn out and spend money.
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The initial list of signers is up:

34th Annual National – TRISTAR Autograph Pavilion – Chicago, IL
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This is my first year going. What do I need to bring besides cash, and supplies?
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Boomo will be there!!!!!!
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I live 20 minutes away from the convention center, so if I didn't go, Id have to kick myself in the balls.
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Cards you might want to sell, surprisingly a lot of dealers buy at the National.
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My parents said yes, were making a road trip out of it

Omg i love my life <3

Hopefully they have some upton
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Cards you might want to sell, surprisingly a lot of dealers buy at the National.
Thanks. Are cases/boxes cheaper there?
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Huge? You should've seen it 8 years ago. It's at about 50-60% of what it was in 2003-04.
I guess I should've but I've been to some nice shows and the one in Baltimore was the best show I've been to so even if its dropped off, they had everything i needed!
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Have been last 3 years.. I will be there all week!
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