Question about 1998 S.I. First Edition 1/1's

free2131 · 01-24-2013, 03:31 PM

A guy has a few listed, including this Glavine:

1998 Sports Illustrated First Edition Tom Glavine Only 1of1 Masterpiece 1 1 RARE | eBay

Looking at his other items, he has a lot of "proofs" and "blank back" cards. I was wondering maybe if these are either back doored or maybe even had the "The ONLY 1 of 1 Masterpiece" added to the back of back doored EI cards that were not serial numbered? I think the S.I. were Fleer cards and I know Fleer was known to have back doored a lot of cards during the bankruptcy.

Am I just being paranoid?

free2131 · 01-30-2013, 09:47 PM

Well, they both sold for a lot less than I thought they would, so maybe others had the same reservations that I had. Hopefully someone else can chime in.

njterp · 01-30-2013, 10:23 PM

Interesting, but I am skeptical. Here is what I think the 1 of 1s looked like: 1998 Fleer Sports Illustrated World Series Fever First Edition - The card you link to looks identical to the extra edition parallels numbered to 250, - http://www.comc.com/Cards/Baseball/1..._Bonds/2188352 - the only difference being the 1 of 1 numbering on the back.

njterp · 01-30-2013, 10:37 PM

Hmmmmm appears I was wrong according to this: zoom in on the first edition section, there is a blurb that explains that the 1 of 1s are identical except for the numbering.

2010 Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards - Google Books

free2131 · 01-30-2013, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njterp

Hmmmmm appears I was wrong according to this: zoom in on the first edition section, there is a blurb that explains that the 1 of 1s are identical except for the numbering.

2010 Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards - Google Books

To be honest, with all the other "proofs" and "promos" from Fleer he was selling and the fact he had several of these cards makes me think that these were backdoored.

dustin9900 · 01-30-2013, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njterp

Hmmmmm appears I was wrong according to this: zoom in on the first edition section, there is a blurb that explains that the 1 of 1s are identical except for the numbering.

2010 Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards - Google Books

Didn't look at this one but the one I have also states they are printed in Purple so should be legit. I have a couple of the one's to 98 from the world series edition that are of Braves players if you are looking let me know.

1st4040 · 01-31-2013, 07:45 AM

the simple fact that the same seller had numerous players from this is a bit of a red flag to me.. along with the fact he is selling all bankruptcy cards. I have also seen 2 completely different looking purple fonts on these cards which also added more suspicion. There was another seller who listed just one of these and the purple font was considerably more bold than the rest of these listings.

I believe this seller was the one who contacted me by direct email offering the Canseco. turns out he also contacted about 3 or 4 other Canseco collectors in hopes of starting a big bidding war for it. I'm sure he made out pretty well on it but I didn't offer much on it due to all the recent questions about these.

AUTaxMan · 01-31-2013, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by free2131

A guy has a few listed, including this Glavine:

1998 Sports Illustrated First Edition Tom Glavine Only 1of1 Masterpiece 1 1 RARE | eBay

Looking at his other items, he has a lot of "proofs" and "blank back" cards. I was wondering maybe if these are either back doored or maybe even had the "The ONLY 1 of 1 Masterpiece" added to the back of back doored EI cards that were not serial numbered? I think the S.I. were Fleer cards and I know Fleer was known to have back doored a lot of cards during the bankruptcy.

Am I just being paranoid?

I have been skeptical of them as well. While they could be legit (they certainly appear to be), I wouldn't bid.

Brandt504 · 01-31-2013, 03:25 PM

I saw that he had the Frank Thomas up for sale, but I had never seen or heard of any SI 1/1's before. I stayed away...

ronaldkosh · 04-22-2013, 03:03 AM

Bump.

I just noticed this post now. I, too, was suspicious of how many 1/1's this particular seller had for sale. But I put in some lowball bids and won three of them. I then sent them in to BGS.

The Tony Gwynn and Greg Maddux ones each graded a BGS 9, which I was thrilled with, since (a) they were confirmed to be real and (b) a lot of cards from this set have a fair amount of chipping.

Unfortunately, the Tom Glavine card came back as trimmed, but hey, two outta three ain't bad!

I wish I had picked up more of these. The Maddux went for $83, Gwynn for $66, and Glavine for $43. I may have missed out on a tremendous deal. I don't really care if these were backdoored so long as they're authentic one of ones!

ronaldkosh · 04-22-2013, 03:13 AM

refuse24 · 04-22-2013, 03:40 AM

Didn't they have some kind of live auctions when fleer went belly up.I swore I heard people going to these auction back then and they where coming back with bulk items.

DaBaddestHic · 04-22-2013, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronaldkosh

Bump.

I just noticed this post now. I, too, was suspicious of how many 1/1's this particular seller had for sale. But I put in some lowball bids and won three of them. I then sent them in to BGS.

The Tony Gwynn and Greg Maddux ones each graded a BGS 9, which I was thrilled with, since (a) they were confirmed to be real and (b) a lot of cards from this set have a fair amount of chipping.

Unfortunately, the Tom Glavine card came back as trimmed, but hey, two outta three ain't bad!

I wish I had picked up more of these. The Maddux went for $83, Gwynn for $66, and Glavine for $43. I may have missed out on a tremendous deal. I don't really care if these were backdoored so long as they're authentic one of ones!

That's nice to know since I put a offer in on one this morning, although by the time I actually did it, there was another offer up. So I may miss out if the other person offered more, but oh well. I have this belief that most cards will show up again if you're patient enough :P

DaBaddestHic · 05-03-2015, 08:47 PM

So, a few years after picking up the Delgado first edition on ebay another one popped up. I was sort of expecting this might happen at some point when I bought the first one. But I wanted to get them off the market either way.

The two cards look very similar, except you can tell a difference in the purple writing on the back:

The one on the bottom is the one I just bought and it's been graded by BGS. The one on top is the one I bought a few years ago from the guy that looked to be selling backdoored items. You can see that the print on the graded one isn't is clear, as if it was smudged some while it was printed.

Some other pictures:

I'm guessing that one of these was the actual pack pulled card and the other was released in the bankruptcy, but I have no idea which one is which. Maybe someone else might have some knowledge though.

Brewer Andy · 05-03-2015, 09:17 PM

I seem to recall a hand-cut sheet of these SI 1/1s entering the market a few years back. There's discussion about it on another forum that can probably be found with a google search

01-24-2013, 03:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
free2131 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Alabama Posts: 4,030	Question about 1998 S.I. First Edition 1/1's (Possible Fake)? A guy has a few listed, including this Glavine: 1998 Sports Illustrated First Edition Tom Glavine Only 1of1 Masterpiece 1 1 RARE \| eBay Looking at his other items, he has a lot of "proofs" and "blank back" cards. I was wondering maybe if these are either back doored or maybe even had the "The ONLY 1 of 1 Masterpiece" added to the back of back doored EI cards that were not serial numbered? I think the S.I. were Fleer cards and I know Fleer was known to have back doored a lot of cards during the bankruptcy. Am I just being paranoid? __________________ Cal Ripken PC - http://s989.photobucket.com/albums/af13/free2131/Ripken%20PC/ “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” - Isaac Asimov Last edited by free2131; 01-30-2013 at 09:46 PM.

01-30-2013, 09:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
free2131 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Alabama Posts: 4,030	Well, they both sold for a lot less than I thought they would, so maybe others had the same reservations that I had. Hopefully someone else can chime in. __________________ Cal Ripken PC - http://s989.photobucket.com/albums/af13/free2131/Ripken%20PC/ “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” - Isaac Asimov

01-30-2013, 10:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
njterp Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 2,189 812128	Interesting, but I am skeptical. Here is what I think the 1 of 1s looked like: 1998 Fleer Sports Illustrated World Series Fever First Edition - The card you link to looks identical to the extra edition parallels numbered to 250, - http://www.comc.com/Cards/Baseball/1..._Bonds/2188352 - the only difference being the 1 of 1 numbering on the back. __________________ Go Cardinals! 12 in 16! Kolten Wong (and now some Stephen Piscotty) Collector Last edited by njterp; 01-30-2013 at 10:31 PM. Reason: added another link, changed choice of words

01-30-2013, 10:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
njterp Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 2,189 812128	Hmmmmm appears I was wrong according to this: zoom in on the first edition section, there is a blurb that explains that the 1 of 1s are identical except for the numbering. 2010 Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards - Google Books __________________ Go Cardinals! 12 in 16! Kolten Wong (and now some Stephen Piscotty) Collector

01-31-2013, 07:45 AM	#7 (permalink)
1st4040 Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: New Bedford, Ma. Posts: 216	the simple fact that the same seller had numerous players from this is a bit of a red flag to me.. along with the fact he is selling all bankruptcy cards. I have also seen 2 completely different looking purple fonts on these cards which also added more suspicion. There was another seller who listed just one of these and the purple font was considerably more bold than the rest of these listings. I believe this seller was the one who contacted me by direct email offering the Canseco. turns out he also contacted about 3 or 4 other Canseco collectors in hopes of starting a big bidding war for it. I'm sure he made out pretty well on it but I didn't offer much on it due to all the recent questions about these. __________________ Jose Canseco supercollector: www.josecansecocollector.com my trade bucket: http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t25/ShowstoppingOrangeGT/Cards%20For%20Sale%20or%20Trade/

01-31-2013, 03:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
Brandt504 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northern California (Cameron Park) Posts: 1,435 bighurt_90s_inserts Brandt504	I saw that he had the Frank Thomas up for sale, but I had never seen or heard of any SI 1/1's before. I stayed away... __________________ FRANK THOMAS COLLECTOR- MOSTLY FOCUSING ON RARE 90'S INSERTS ALSO BUYING LARGE LOTS FOR RESALE (90'S INSERTS PREFFERED) - ACCEPTING LOTS FOR CONSIGNMENT AS WELL

04-22-2013, 03:03 AM	#10 (permalink)
ronaldkosh Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Aiken, South Carolina Posts: 95 apex_xtra	Bump. I just noticed this post now. I, too, was suspicious of how many 1/1's this particular seller had for sale. But I put in some lowball bids and won three of them. I then sent them in to BGS. The Tony Gwynn and Greg Maddux ones each graded a BGS 9, which I was thrilled with, since (a) they were confirmed to be real and (b) a lot of cards from this set have a fair amount of chipping. Unfortunately, the Tom Glavine card came back as trimmed, but hey, two outta three ain't bad! I wish I had picked up more of these. The Maddux went for $83, Gwynn for $66, and Glavine for $43. I may have missed out on a tremendous deal. I don't really care if these were backdoored so long as they're authentic one of ones!

04-22-2013, 03:13 AM	#11 (permalink)
ronaldkosh Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Aiken, South Carolina Posts: 95 apex_xtra

04-22-2013, 03:40 AM	#12 (permalink)
refuse24 Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,488	Didn't they have some kind of live auctions when fleer went belly up.I swore I heard people going to these auction back then and they where coming back with bulk items.

05-03-2015, 08:47 PM	#14 (permalink)
DaBaddestHic Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,682 DaBaddestHic	So, a few years after picking up the Delgado first edition on ebay another one popped up. I was sort of expecting this might happen at some point when I bought the first one. But I wanted to get them off the market either way. The two cards look very similar, except you can tell a difference in the purple writing on the back: The one on the bottom is the one I just bought and it's been graded by BGS. The one on top is the one I bought a few years ago from the guy that looked to be selling backdoored items. You can see that the print on the graded one isn't is clear, as if it was smudged some while it was printed. Some other pictures: I'm guessing that one of these was the actual pack pulled card and the other was released in the bankruptcy, but I have no idea which one is which. Maybe someone else might have some knowledge though. __________________ Supercollecting Carlos Delgado (Always looking - PM me) Also collecting Braves and Kevin Plawecki I hate negotiating and will make already fair offers if I have to first Bucket: http://tinyurl.com/c3f88eh

05-03-2015, 09:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
Brewer Andy Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 701	I seem to recall a hand-cut sheet of these SI 1/1s entering the market a few years back. There's discussion about it on another forum that can probably be found with a google search

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