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Old 02-03-2013, 01:25 AM   #351 (permalink)
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Im pretty sure that your card is one that was meant to be produced as one of the Base version autographs of the 94 version, but Topps decided to not continue production of those cards and somehow, the ones that were produced, were not sent to be signed and were never meant to be released, but somehow got inserted into packs, by mistake, during the production process. That would explain why your card does not have the 1/1 STAMPED NUMBERING that all of the other versions have stamped on them.

That is very interesting and I would love find out of this was what happened.
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That is very interesting and I would love find out of this was what happened.
should volunteer at a printery, im sure you will see a lot of quality control mishaps
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Bowman Quality Control Manager: Sir, I'm afraid we've ballsed up.

Bowman CEO: Really? Go on...

BQCM: We've issued the ultra-rare A-Rod auto'd Superfractor 1/1 but there are a couple of minor faults.

CEO: What faults exactly?

BQCM: Well sir, we forget to affix the authentication stickers.

CEO: Not the end of the world.

BQCM: And we kind of forgot to get him to sign it.

CEO: No problem, he signs loads for us. Send it off to him, he'll return it post haste. Is that all?

BQCM: Not quite, sir. We forgot to superfract it.

CEO: Ah, what the heck. Realease it anyway. Unless Dave Peters pulls it, I doubt anyone will notice.
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Just to continue on from here. . . If this scenario were true, then your ordeal with the Topps customer service department has played out exactly how it should have. Honestly Dave, if this were the scenario, do you not think it possible that somehow your card was accidently placed into some random pack unbeknownst to Topps even though they meant for it not to be? Its the same as If I owed you $16.75 for a meal and I accidently give you 2 $20's that are stuck together, unbeknownst to me, and tell you to keep the change, but I was actually only trying to give you one $20 billl. I may never know what happened to that other $20 bill, so I couldnt explain it to anyone, because there would be no way for me to know after I walked away. Topps cant confirm that yours is the True 1/1 superfractor autograph because it was never meant to be put into packs as the true 1/1 superfractor autograph. Since the REAL superfractor autograph is more than likely still out there somewhere, it is not practical for them to identify yours as the official superfractor autograph 1/1 simply because it could have originally had the intent of being the superfractor auto but was misprinted. Therefore the authenticity of it being the true 1/1 superfractor autograph is null and void once it was misprinted. What you need to take in is the fact that your card is a misprint and not an official error card. My interpretation of an error card is a card that is misprinted, but not seen by Topps QC first, but still inserted into packs. My interpretation of a misprinted card is just that, a misprint that is fixed by topps beforehand, but the misprints still get accidently inserted into packs as well as the fixed cards. I dont think you have an argument against Topps not noticing the misprint and not actually producing the real superfractor autograph as well. Do you really find it plausible that Topps would not make sure that one of their top hits in the product was signed and indeed available to be pulled or at least be made and signed? Do you really find it plausible that your misprint was inserted into a pack accidently as the only produced 1/1 superfractor auto and Topps wouldnt notice that? Wouldnt notice that they never sent it off to be signed or never had a Topps representative take it to him to be signed? Or that they never got it back from Arod and nobody can say if it were or were not inserted autographed? I believe that there is a Superfractor autograph version of this card still out there based on the fact that I do not believe a card of that value, at the time of the release, would get inserted into a pack without one Topps employee being able to verify whether or not it was signed. So therefore, your card could simply be a misprinted superfractor version that isnt a superfractor but had the potential to be but didnt turn out to great because it was never meant to be inserted into a pack. I believe it was a corrected error, but somehow, unbeknownst to Topps, the misprinted card was still accidently inserted into a pack and that is what you have. It wasnt inserted into the pack with the intention of it being the official, legit Superfractor autograph, so that is why it is not labeled as a superfractor autograph, or a 1/1 for that matter. However, it being a misprint of the superfractor version would explain why the beckett lookup thing states that it is a version of that card(the SF /1) but it can not be labeled as the superfractor autograph 1/1 on the BGS label because it was never meant to be the official, TRUE 1/1 superfractor, I mean, lets face it, yours is neither a superfractor, nor is it autographed, nor was it ever meant to be once it was misprinted without the front superfractor surface and that is probably the reason why it was never sent to be autographed. Not because they forgot to send it or anything, simply because it was recognized by someone at Topps and the problem was fixed.

Now when it pertains to the replacement you received from Topps, just because yours may be a misprint of the superfractor version, does not mean your card should be valued the same as the TRUE 1/1 superfractor autograph that is still out there. You can not value yours as being valued at the odds of being pulled at 1:600,000 or whatever the exact number was, because your card was never meant to be in the pack so therefore it can not be the card Topps advertised as being the one with the odds you have stated, because the one with the odds stated, I believe, is still out there somewhere. So in reality, your card had 0 advertised odds, because it wasnt supposed to be there. They sent you an actual Arod autograph that they felt was equal in value to your misprinted card. If yours is indeed a misprinted card and not the legit superfractor autograph 1/1 version, then you cant hold Topps to an equal replacement equal to that of the real superfractor autograph version simply because yours is a misprint. This scenario seems more logical and practical than any other I can think of, so until the TRUE 1/1 superfractor autograph surfaces, you can call it what you want, but it has been verified by Beckett as not being the TRUE 1/1 superfractor as the label does not mention it. I dont think BGS could label two different cards as being the same 1/1 superfractor autograph card especially since yours has no stickers and no autograph and no superfractor surface. So what I think you have there is exactly what beckett has labeled it as. The lookup # confirms that it is indeed "A" version of the 94 throwback SF /1 version, but the label confirms that it is not the TRUE superfractor autographed 1/1 version of the 94 /1 version, more than likely because it was misprinted without the superfractor surface and does not contain the correct authentication stickers to confirm it as being the TRUE 1/1. You have a misprinted version of the superfractor card that you were never supposed to have because it wasnt intended to be in a pack. Its value should be based on that alone. It is a one of a kind misprint that you can label a 1/1 all you want, but that 1/1 label you give it, does not give it the same value as the TRUE superfractor autograph 1/1 that has the odds of being pulled in 1:600,000 packs or whatever the exact number was because your card had 0 odds because it wasnt supposed to be there. Therefore, Topps does not owe you a card of that value. Now if your card had the 1/1 triangular sticker and the authentic autograph hologram but no autograph on the front, then you would have a case. But yours has neither so it is simply an invalid, misprinted version the 94 Throwback autographed version missing the autograph and stickers as stated by BGS on there label.
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luck15hope - Thanks for the very thorough explanation with proof photos and everything. I think your theory is spot on. I too believe his card is a misprinted version of the superfractor card that was never supposed to have been inserted in packs but somehow (perhaps stuck to another card) made it in anyway.

davepeters239 - You really can't complain about his logic regardless of what you or anyone else thinks the card is. I have been following this thread and although I agree with many others that you are in some ways very annoying, if you are an Arod supercollector or know someone who is, this is probably a card that they would love to have in their collection. It's probably a card that they would pay handsomely for just because of what it was meant to be. Obviously you cannot put a value on a 1/1 card becasue it is only worth what someone will pay for it. A very intereseting card to have in your collection now that you have what I think is the correct background to how the card must have come about. I can't think of any other reasoning for it to be available. I do agree though that you should not have rated a replacement for it because you did not pull it from a pack nor were you required to offer the same proof that everyone else has to provide (reciept, upc, etc). I think Topps offered you a replacement for it because they realized the confusion it would cause (which it did) just in order to get it off the street.
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so I stopped about 225 posts in and I'll catch up later.

OP there are 3 of these listed on COMC (one being mine) ITG lists it as 10 copies, beckett lists it as 1/1. So what do I have then?

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I also had an Edgerrin James card that was supposed to be auto'ed but it wasn't. It was part of a sell off from whatever company had gone out of business and was placed in retail resale boxes. I think I got $5 for it.

I've received a card from Score that was supposed to be autographed, I sent it back and they slabbed a sticker on it. That didn't make it a 1/1 in either case.

not sure why this whole thing is so hard to figure out.
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Here you go Dave.:

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Our OPG lists the card as a:

2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs #94AR A.Rodriguez 1994 SF/1

But is missing the auto. Any cards that were clearly marked as manufacturer-certified autographs, but the auto is missing, we clearly mark as MISSING AUTO. We did exactly what we should have done on this card. I have no idea where these came from, but they are clearly real Topps cards not intended for release, but still real cards nonetheless. We clearly labeled it as Missing Sticker and Missing Autograph and never say it was a 1/1.

If the question is whether the SF/1 card exists autographed, that is a Price Guide question - I have no idea. But no, this gentlemanís card is not a 1/1.

There is no way to 100% know how many are out there. If someone doesnít list it for sale, or grade it how can you know. It could be in a kidís binder.

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There we go. Your entire basis of thinking this is a 1/1 is the Becket label saying its a /1. You have just read an email from a Beckett Grading rep stating your card is NOT a 1/1.

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Just to continue on from here. . . If this scenario were true, then your ordeal with the Topps customer service department has played out exactly how it should have. Honestly Dave, if this were the scenario, do you not think it possible that somehow your card was accidently placed into some random pack unbeknownst to Topps even though they meant for it not to be? Its the same as If I owed you $16.75 for a meal and I accidently give you 2 $20's that are stuck together, unbeknownst to me, and tell you to keep the change, but I was actually only trying to give you one $20 billl. I may never know what happened to that other $20 bill, so I couldnt explain it to anyone, because there would be no way for me to know after I walked away. Topps cant confirm that yours is the True 1/1 superfractor autograph because it was never meant to be put into packs as the true 1/1 superfractor autograph. Since the REAL superfractor autograph is more than likely still out there somewhere, it is not practical for them to identify yours as the official superfractor autograph 1/1 simply because it could have originally had the intent of being the superfractor auto but was misprinted. Therefore the authenticity of it being the true 1/1 superfractor autograph is null and void once it was misprinted. What you need to take in is the fact that your card is a misprint and not an official error card. My interpretation of an error card is a card that is misprinted, but not seen by Topps QC first, but still inserted into packs. My interpretation of a misprinted card is just that, a misprint that is fixed by topps beforehand, but the misprints still get accidently inserted into packs as well as the fixed cards. I dont think you have an argument against Topps not noticing the misprint and not actually producing the real superfractor autograph as well. Do you really find it plausible that Topps would not make sure that one of their top hits in the product was signed and indeed available to be pulled or at least be made and signed? Do you really find it plausible that your misprint was inserted into a pack accidently as the only produced 1/1 superfractor auto and Topps wouldnt notice that? Wouldnt notice that they never sent it off to be signed or never had a Topps representative take it to him to be signed? Or that they never got it back from Arod and nobody can say if it were or were not inserted autographed? I believe that there is a Superfractor autograph version of this card still out there based on the fact that I do not believe a card of that value, at the time of the release, would get inserted into a pack without one Topps employee being able to verify whether or not it was signed. So therefore, your card could simply be a misprinted superfractor version that isnt a superfractor but had the potential to be but didnt turn out to great because it was never meant to be inserted into a pack. I believe it was a corrected error, but somehow, unbeknownst to Topps, the misprinted card was still accidently inserted into a pack and that is what you have. It wasnt inserted into the pack with the intention of it being the official, legit Superfractor autograph, so that is why it is not labeled as a superfractor autograph, or a 1/1 for that matter. However, it being a misprint of the superfractor version would explain why the beckett lookup thing states that it is a version of that card(the SF /1) but it can not be labeled as the superfractor autograph 1/1 on the BGS label because it was never meant to be the official, TRUE 1/1 superfractor, I mean, lets face it, yours is neither a superfractor, nor is it autographed, nor was it ever meant to be once it was misprinted without the front superfractor surface and that is probably the reason why it was never sent to be autographed. Not because they forgot to send it or anything, simply because it was recognized by someone at Topps and the problem was fixed.

Now when it pertains to the replacement you received from Topps, just because yours may be a misprint of the superfractor version, does not mean your card should be valued the same as the TRUE 1/1 superfractor autograph that is still out there. You can not value yours as being valued at the odds of being pulled at 1:600,000 or whatever the exact number was, because your card was never meant to be in the pack so therefore it can not be the card Topps advertised as being the one with the odds you have stated, because the one with the odds stated, I believe, is still out there somewhere. So in reality, your card had 0 advertised odds, because it wasnt supposed to be there. They sent you an actual Arod autograph that they felt was equal in value to your misprinted card. If yours is indeed a misprinted card and not the legit superfractor autograph 1/1 version, then you cant hold Topps to an equal replacement equal to that of the real superfractor autograph version simply because yours is a misprint. This scenario seems more logical and practical than any other I can think of, so until the TRUE 1/1 superfractor autograph surfaces, you can call it what you want, but it has been verified by Beckett as not being the TRUE 1/1 superfractor as the label does not mention it. I dont think BGS could label two different cards as being the same 1/1 superfractor autograph card especially since yours has no stickers and no autograph and no superfractor surface. So what I think you have there is exactly what beckett has labeled it as. The lookup # confirms that it is indeed "A" version of the 94 throwback SF /1 version, but the label confirms that it is not the TRUE superfractor autographed 1/1 version of the 94 /1 version, more than likely because it was misprinted without the superfractor surface and does not contain the correct authentication stickers to confirm it as being the TRUE 1/1. You have a misprinted version of the superfractor card that you were never supposed to have because it wasnt intended to be in a pack. Its value should be based on that alone. It is a one of a kind misprint that you can label a 1/1 all you want, but that 1/1 label you give it, does not give it the same value as the TRUE superfractor autograph 1/1 that has the odds of being pulled in 1:600,000 packs or whatever the exact number was because your card had 0 odds because it wasnt supposed to be there. Therefore, Topps does not owe you a card of that value. Now if your card had the 1/1 triangular sticker and the authentic autograph hologram but no autograph on the front, then you would have a case. But yours has neither so it is simply an invalid, misprinted version the 94 Throwback autographed version missing the autograph and stickers as stated by BGS on there label.


I think the best thing for me to do is contact both Topps and Beckett to find out if a superfractor version was ever really made.

If they say yes a superfractor was made then I will have to ask what this card is or what they think this card is.

I would think someone at Topps would know for sure either way.

Thanks for all the work you put into this and I will let you know what I find out.
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luck15hope - Thanks for the very thorough explanation with proof photos and everything. I think your theory is spot on. I too believe his card is a misprinted version of the superfractor card that was never supposed to have been inserted in packs but somehow (perhaps stuck to another card) made it in anyway.

davepeters239 - You really can't complain about his logic regardless of what you or anyone else thinks the card is. I have been following this thread and although I agree with many others that you are in some ways very annoying, if you are an Arod supercollector or know someone who is, this is probably a card that they would love to have in their collection. It's probably a card that they would pay handsomely for just because of what it was meant to be. Obviously you cannot put a value on a 1/1 card becasue it is only worth what someone will pay for it. A very intereseting card to have in your collection now that you have what I think is the correct background to how the card must have come about. I can't think of any other reasoning for it to be available. I do agree though that you should not have rated a replacement for it because you did not pull it from a pack nor were you required to offer the same proof that everyone else has to provide (reciept, upc, etc). I think Topps offered you a replacement for it because they realized the confusion it would cause (which it did) just in order to get it off the street.

I never wanted a replacement in the begining I just wanted the card fixed and set out to do so with Topps knowing about it.

When I was able to get arod to sign it for me Topps all of a sudden backed off and said no we won't add stickers t the card. I wish they would have said that from the beginning but they did not. As I have said maybe they didn't think I would be able to get ahold of arod or get him to agree to sign it, I don't know.

If Topps really did care and wanted the card off the streets they would have offered me a fair trade for it in my opinion.

I guess right now I have to find out more information again from Topps and then I can go from there.
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so I stopped about 225 posts in and I'll catch up later.

OP there are 3 of these listed on COMC (one being mine) ITG lists it as 10 copies, beckett lists it as 1/1. So what do I have then?

Heroes & Prospects Baseball "Hits" Series One[enable]/0/
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I also had an Edgerrin James card that was supposed to be auto'ed but it wasn't. It was part of a sell off from whatever company had gone out of business and was placed in retail resale boxes. I think I got $5 for it.

I've received a card from Score that was supposed to be autographed, I sent it back and they slabbed a sticker on it. That didn't make it a 1/1 in either case.

not sure why this whole thing is so hard to figure out.

I have never seen those cards and don't know anything about them so it would be unfair for me to comment.

You should maybe make a separate post asking here in the baseball forum and someone might know more about them.

If you do post a new thread I will be sure to follow as I am curious now.
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"Michael,

Our OPG lists the card as a:

2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs #94AR A.Rodriguez 1994 SF/1

But is missing the auto. Any cards that were clearly marked as manufacturer-certified autographs, but the auto is missing, we clearly mark as MISSING AUTO. We did exactly what we should have done on this card. I have no idea where these came from, but they are clearly real Topps cards not intended for release, but still real cards nonetheless. We clearly labeled it as Missing Sticker and Missing Autograph and never say it was a 1/1.

If the question is whether the SF/1 card exists autographed, that is a Price Guide question - I have no idea. But no, this gentlemanís card is not a 1/1.

There is no way to 100% know how many are out there. If someone doesnít list it for sale, or grade it how can you know. It could be in a kidís binder.

Hope I helped.

Have a great Superbowl weekend,

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There we go. Your entire basis of thinking this is a 1/1 is the Becket label saying its a /1. You have just read an email from a Beckett Grading rep stating your card is NOT a 1/1.

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This person contradicts themselves.

He clearly states that this is the card that is indeed listed in their population report as the 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs #94AR A.Rodriguez 1994 SF/1 card. Now that /1 does not mean only one has been graded, it means there is only 1 card like that or a 1/1.

He then goes on to say that my card is not a 1/1. He doesn't say he thinks it's probably not a 1/1 but it seems he is pretty sure it is not a 1/1. How he knows this and seems to present it as fact seems wrong to me.

He also goes on to say that these were not intended for release but again how can he know that for sure? He also says he is not sure where this card came from but all he would have to do is check the Beckett archives to see this very same card was in the December 2005 issue in the readers writes section. To be fair though the person who emailed him probably did not tell him that part. Had he been able to check he would know where this card came from, a pack.

So if you don't mind I have a few follow up questions for Mr Stabile.

I guess the first question obviously would be if someone else sends in a card like this as we have someone here on the forum who claims they have one what would happen?

Would there then be 2 entries in the population report for a card listed as /1?

Then what of someone sends in a true superfractor version of this card (still not sure if one exists or not) would there then be 3 in the population report for a card listed as only being /1?

Next question would be if my card is an error or as they put it missing the autograph and serial numbers which is basically the same thing as an error then why was it listed in the population report as the 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs #94AR A.Rodriguez 1994 SF/1 knowing that someone else might send in the same card or the correct version someday?

Last I would be very much interested in why he sad not intended for release. Does he know a bit more about this card or these cards or is he just saying oh it doesn't have an autograph so it shouldn't have been released?

Either way I think Beckett and BGS will eventually have to add this card as an error to their checklist and they will have to correct the label on my card if we find out from Topps a superfractor version was indeed made.

Thanks for emailing them and thanks for the help with this.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:23 PM   #372 (permalink)
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Let me point out another logical scenario since I just noticed that your card, on the back, has TWO areas where authentication stickers would have been placed. I think that it was pointed out earlier in this thread that the Superfractors have a triangular shaped 1/1 authentication sticker that are applied to the back of the card, and your card has that triangular shape where the 1/1 sticker should have been. I noticed that the other paralled versions do not have the Triangular marking so Im convinced that that particular sticker is reserved for 1/1's. Now, I think it is very clear that your card is not a Superfractor version, but it could also have indeed been a misprint of the actual superfractor version of this card prior to being sent off to be signed by Arod since it indeed has the triangular spot for the 1/1 authentication sticker. Topps qualty control probably caught the error (not being superfractored on the front of the card) before sending it off to be signed and then reproduced the LEGIT 1/1 Superfractor autograph card that was indeed sent off to be signed. Your card could have then been overlooked and accidently inserted into a pack, and that would confirm as to why there is nobody else who has one of the cards because it was orignally meant to be the SF, but was misprinted without the SF surface on the front, therefore Topps did not apply the stickers and did not take the time to send it off to be autographed because it was simply a misprint during production that was never intended to be inserted into a pack. If my other scenario is incorrect and there were no intentions by Topps of producing base autos of the 94 version, then this scenario seems more logical.
I think this is the correct explanation. I too thought it was that they originally meant to print non superfractor versions of the 94 throwback card like your first explanation mentioned. But I failed to think about why the 1/1 sticker placeholder would be there in that case.

It could be that they originally intended to make just chrome versions, and then switched it to a 1/1, and in the process sent off the wrong things to the printer, and ended up with a bunch of regular chrome cards with 1/1 placeholders on them.

I'm not sure Topps is gonna remember this happening 5-6 years later unfortunately. I wish the guy with another version would just post the back of his, but I'm not convinced he even has one anymore, or even actually had one at all. (Unless he has one, but doesn't want to scan it/take a picture and stop the madness because he enjoys people getting into a tizzy on the internet.)
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:48 PM   #373 (permalink)
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This person contradicts themselves.

He clearly states that this is the card that is indeed listed in their population report as the 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs #94AR A.Rodriguez 1994 SF/1 card. Now that /1 does not mean only one has been graded, it means there is only 1 card like that or a 1/1.

He then goes on to say that my card is not a 1/1. He doesn't say he thinks it's probably not a 1/1 but it seems he is pretty sure it is not a 1/1. How he knows this and seems to present it as fact seems wrong to me.

He also goes on to say that these were not intended for release but again how can he know that for sure? He also says he is not sure where this card came from but all he would have to do is check the Beckett archives to see this very same card was in the December 2005 issue in the readers writes section. To be fair though the person who emailed him probably did not tell him that part. Had he been able to check he would know where this card came from, a pack.

So if you don't mind I have a few follow up questions for Mr Stabile.

I guess the first question obviously would be if someone else sends in a card like this as we have someone here on the forum who claims they have one what would happen?

Would there then be 2 entries in the population report for a card listed as /1?

Then what of someone sends in a true superfractor version of this card (still not sure if one exists or not) would there then be 3 in the population report for a card listed as only being /1?

Next question would be if my card is an error or as they put it missing the autograph and serial numbers which is basically the same thing as an error then why was it listed in the population report as the 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs #94AR A.Rodriguez 1994 SF/1 knowing that someone else might send in the same card or the correct version someday?

Last I would be very much interested in why he sad not intended for release. Does he know a bit more about this card or these cards or is he just saying oh it doesn't have an autograph so it shouldn't have been released?

Either way I think Beckett and BGS will eventually have to add this card as an error to their checklist and they will have to correct the label on my card if we find out from Topps a superfractor version was indeed made.

Thanks for emailing them and thanks for the help with this.
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I know it takes some work, but I was hoping TheNextLevel could take a few minutes and scan the back of his card to show its the same one as the OPs so we have a slim chance of shutting him up. But knowing him he would probably just claim then that he still has a card that is actually /2 which is still worth alot of money, just half as much as he thought.
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