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Old 02-02-2013, 12:33 AM   #176 (permalink)
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Not saying your wrong or right but why if its the superfractor does it look like a base card minus the auto it should atleast have the superfractor part right? I haven't read anything about Topps saying oops we accidentally let a A-Rod throwback out minus the stickers, auto and superfractor if anyone finds it its a 1/1 but I have found a pic of a few of the 2005 Bowman Chrome Arod Throwback Superfractor's non auto again not my card just a pic I found shouldn't it look like this minus the stickers and auto if it was a superfractor error?
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My question is why are all of this guys posts edited like this? Did I miss something?
That is suspicious, could be they are working together on this scam however I don't remember reading anybody agreeing with this nut Dave Peters.

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Not saying your wrong or right but why if its the superfractor does it look like a base card minus the auto it should atleast have the superfractor part right? I haven't read anything about Topps saying oops we accidentally let a A-Rod throwback out minus the stickers, auto and superfractor if anyone finds it its a 1/1 but I have found a pic of a few of the 2005 Bowman Chrome Arod Throwback Superfractor's non auto again not my card just a pic I found shouldn't it look like this minus the stickers and auto if it was a superfractor error?
Well this crazy nut bag believes his is the all famous 1/1 "non superfractor" autograph card which may or may not exist. THE(NEXT)LEVEL seems to believe that there is one. I can't seem to find any stated odds or checklist that mentions this non superfractor '94 autograph. However there is no evidence that this is a 1/1 card, as there is no stamping of any kind to prove that it is. IT WAS BACKDOORED!

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Dave Peters, I'm curious what you originally bought the card for on Ebay. Mind telling us?

I would rather not say how much I paid for it.
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I would rather not say how much I paid for it.
I'll sell you mine for half of what you want for yours.
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as it has been proven in the previous thread you card is NOT the one that is 1:614088 packs. That would be the superfractor parallel of this, there were also xfractor and refractor parallel autographs of these. They were ALL serial-numbered on the back as well as have the appropriate wording of which variation it was listed under the number. Now you had it graded in which Beckett does not state it to be a 1/1 or serial-numbered at all which further disproves your claim.

And its not some of us that disagrees with you, it is everyone here, every website online, the company that graded your card and the company that produced that card yet you still seem to want to be in this mystery land where you think the card is more than it is. The other issue is as you keep on arguing...its Alex Rodriguez....his prices are dropping fast and the card you have is losing value week after week

I am not sure everyone agrees and for those that keep saying what card it isn't I don't think anyone has said what card it is.

I still say this is the 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs 94A-AR card. You and others say it is not this card so I ask again what card do you think it is?
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Not saying your wrong or right but why if its the superfractor does it look like a base card minus the auto it should atleast have the superfractor part right? I haven't read anything about Topps saying oops we accidentally let a A-Rod throwback out minus the stickers, auto and superfractor if anyone finds it its a 1/1 but I have found a pic of a few of the 2005 Bowman Chrome Arod Throwback Superfractor's non auto again not my card just a pic I found shouldn't it look like this minus the stickers and auto if it was a superfractor error?
I think what you have pictured in your post there is the regular non autographed throwback insert card.

I don't think there ever was an autographed superfractor of this card and think that was a typo.
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Ok I think I found a way to help prove that this is the 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs 94A-AR card and I don't know why I didn't think of this before.

You can take the serial number off the BGS case and look it up online on the Beckett website and it shows that this is that card.

Card Serial Number: 0004133288

Set Name : 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs
Player Name : A.Rodriguez 1994 SF/1
Date Graded : Tuesday, February 28, 2006
Centering Grade : 9.5
Corner Grade : 9.5
Edges Grade : 9.5
Surfaces Grade : 8.5
Autograph Grade : Not Available
Final Grade : 9.0
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Ok I think I found a way to help prove that this is the 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs 94A-AR card and I don't know why I didn't think of this before.

You can take the serial number off the BGS case and look it up online on the Beckett website and it shows that this is that card.

Card Serial Number: 0004133288

Set Name : 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs
Player Name : A.Rodriguez 1994 SF/1
Date Graded : Tuesday, February 28, 2006
Centering Grade : 9.5
Corner Grade : 9.5
Edges Grade : 9.5
Surfaces Grade : 8.5
Autograph Grade : Not Available
Final Grade : 9.0
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Please just sell the card for the love of god.
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I can't seem to find any stated odds or checklist that mentions this non superfractor '94 autograph.
I'll point this out again: http://www.blowoutcards.com/images/b...anchromeBB.pdf

I believe there were meant to be regular chrome autos of the '94 autograph originally, but they got replaced by the superfractor version. Somehow some of the chrome versions got out in packs though, but without the auto.
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I'll point this out again: http://www.blowoutcards.com/images/b...anchromeBB.pdf

I believe there were meant to be regular chrome autos of the '94 autograph originally, but they got replaced by the superfractor version. Somehow some of the chrome versions got out in packs though, but without the auto.

I am unsure of what you are really saying. The checklist you posted appears to be a simple correct checklist. It does not list this card as a SF and that would be correct as there was no superfractor version of this card.

There may be a superfractor card of the non autographed arod throwback inserts but I couldn't say.

You can also look it up and see Beckett has it listed as a SF in the population report but they have it listed correctly on the BGS label.

Card Serial Number: 0004133288

Set Name : 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs
Player Name : A.Rodriguez 1994 SF/1
Date Graded : Tuesday, February 28, 2006
Centering Grade : 9.5
Corner Grade : 9.5
Edges Grade : 9.5
Surfaces Grade : 8.5
Autograph Grade : Not Available
Final Grade : 9.0
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I'm sorry but I might not get the chance for this again is there anyone in your family named Sharon?
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You know, I'm starting to think that this is an ingenious plot by Blowout. I mean, am I the only one who really wants to buy about 20 cases of 2005 Bowman Chrome just to try to get the actual Rodriguez 1/1 just to shut this guy up?

Sneaky, sneaky!!

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Dave,

I am new to this thread and the entire topic. Personally I think everyone has gone overboard, including you, and this topic has snowballed into something beyond what is necessary.

I am going to tell you what any sane appraiser or "expert" of sports memorabilia would tell you: There is NO WAY to prove or disprove that only one of these cards made their way into the market. Topps' statement years back should be enough to tell you that ANYTHING is possible. Whether they stuck together, whether they were factory demos never meant to be released, whether they are an error, whether 1 exists or whether 101 exists....NOBODY KNOWS. For you to say that your card is 100% THE 1/1 Arod that was meant to be auto'd is a complete error of judgement on your part and probably the reason that Topps has not entertained you in the past beyond offering a different Arod auto to replace.

The absence of proof doesn't thus prove the opposite case. The absence of proof that God exists doesn't thus prove that he doesn't. Your logic is "since I can't prove that my card ISN'T a 1/1, then I will assume that it IS a 1/1 until somebody shows me otherwise". Now that's silly.

I won't continue to argue back and forth beyond this post. I truthfully don't care one way or the other but I tend to be an objective thinker so I almost felt obliged to say something.
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Dave,

I am new to this thread and the entire topic. Personally I think everyone has gone overboard, including you, and this topic has snowballed into something beyond what is necessary.

I am going to tell you what any sane appraiser or "expert" of sports memorabilia would tell you: There is NO WAY to prove or disprove that only one of these cards made their way into the market. Topps' statement years back should be enough to tell you that ANYTHING is possible. Whether they stuck together, whether they were factory demos never meant to be released, whether they are an error, whether 1 exists or whether 101 exists....NOBODY KNOWS. For you to say that your card is 100% THE 1/1 Arod that was meant to be auto'd is a complete error of judgement on your part and probably the reason that Topps has not entertained you in the past beyond offering a different Arod auto to replace.

The absence of proof doesn't thus prove the opposite case. The absence of proof that God exists doesn't thus prove that he doesn't. Your logic is "since I can't prove that my card ISN'T a 1/1, then I will assume that it IS a 1/1 until somebody shows me otherwise". Now that's silly.

I won't continue to argue back and forth beyond this post. I truthfully don't care one way or the other but I tend to be an objective thinker so I almost felt obliged to say something.
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Want to know how I know its not the the 1/1?

In 2005 Topps used a triangular 1/1 hologram sticker. That box is square, like all the non 1/1 autos. Can we move on now lol

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Want to know how I know its not the the 1/1?

In 2005 Topps used a triangular 1/1 hologram sticker. That box is square, like all the non 1/1 autos. Can we move on now lol
doesn't want to add drama but to be fair there is triangle column for 1/1 sticker above bowman chrome logo at the back of the card.

i believe this is the backdoored replacement card for the 1/1 version but this is not the 1/1 card itself.
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doesn't want to add drama but to be fair there is triangle column for 1/1 sticker above bowman chrome logo at the back of the card.

i believe this is the backdoored replacement card for the 1/1 version but this is not the 1/1 card itself.
haha how the hell did I miss that?

I think you are right the lack of 2 holograms and 1/1 foil stamp pretty much seals the deal.
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Dave,

I am new to this thread and the entire topic. Personally I think everyone has gone overboard, including you, and this topic has snowballed into something beyond what is necessary.

I am going to tell you what any sane appraiser or "expert" of sports memorabilia would tell you: There is NO WAY to prove or disprove that only one of these cards made their way into the market. Topps' statement years back should be enough to tell you that ANYTHING is possible. Whether they stuck together, whether they were factory demos never meant to be released, whether they are an error, whether 1 exists or whether 101 exists....NOBODY KNOWS. For you to say that your card is 100% THE 1/1 Arod that was meant to be auto'd is a complete error of judgement on your part and probably the reason that Topps has not entertained you in the past beyond offering a different Arod auto to replace.

The absence of proof doesn't thus prove the opposite case. The absence of proof that God exists doesn't thus prove that he doesn't. Your logic is "since I can't prove that my card ISN'T a 1/1, then I will assume that it IS a 1/1 until somebody shows me otherwise". Now that's silly.

I won't continue to argue back and forth beyond this post. I truthfully don't care one way or the other but I tend to be an objective thinker so I almost felt obliged to say something.

Well Beckett seems to think this is the 1/1 card too and has authenticated it and slabbed it and has it in their population report as the 1/1 card.

So now Beckett is wrong too?
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Well Beckett seems to think this is the 1/1 card too and has authenticated it and slabbed it and has it in their population report as the 1/1 card.

So now Beckett is wrong too?
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Again for those that may have missed it or did not read the entire thread.

We can verify that this is the 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs 94A-AR card by looking it up in the BGS population report.

Card Serial Number: 0004133288

Set Name : 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs
Player Name : A.Rodriguez 1994 SF/1
Date Graded : Tuesday, February 28, 2006
Centering Grade : 9.5
Corner Grade : 9.5
Edges Grade : 9.5
Surfaces Grade : 8.5
Autograph Grade : Not Available
Final Grade : 9.0


Everyone seems to be getting hung up on the obvious typo of the card being called a SF in most of the checklists online. As I have explained repeatedly this was a typo or an error by someone and there was never a superfractor of this card.

Now I have proven what I have said all along but people still keep saying oh no it's not that card but they have not or will not or can not say which card it is and I think that is very unfair.
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Again for those that may have missed it or did not read the entire thread.

We can verify that this is the 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs 94A-AR card by looking it up in the BGS population report.

Card Serial Number: 0004133288

Set Name : 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs
Player Name : A.Rodriguez 1994 SF/1
Date Graded : Tuesday, February 28, 2006
Centering Grade : 9.5
Corner Grade : 9.5
Edges Grade : 9.5
Surfaces Grade : 8.5
Autograph Grade : Not Available
Final Grade : 9.0


Everyone seems to be getting hung up on the obvious typo of the card being called a SF in most of the checklists online. As I have explained repeatedly this was a typo or an error by someone and there was never a superfractor of this card.

Now I have proven what I have said all along but people still keep saying oh no it's not that card but they have not or will not or can not say which card it is and I think that is very unfair.
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Its amazing how everything against what you say is a typo. Yet no where on the case does it say 1/1. I feel the guy data basing made a typo since its not on the slab.

Congratulations on getting a back doored card slabbed. Its not the first time they screwed up, I guess all patch cards in bgs and psa cards are authentic also. For the record you may want to stop hyping this card to some magical card. Cause when it finally sells you are going to be disappointed on how little attention you will get.

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