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Old 02-10-2013, 04:08 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Look what got graded by beckett!
Impossible. Not enough evidence for me. Try again.
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:08 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I do believe though an autograph card missing an autograph is more of a warranty or COA issue and does not expire after a year.

Topps only has guidelines for missing hits and damaged cards as far as I can tell.
It falls under a "damaged or defective" card. It is defective because it is missing the autograph. You have one year from the products release to get it replaced.

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Well there was another person who posted in the Profrar thread that it would be impossible to remove an autograph without some damage to the card.
Obviously one person's word against 20 makes it correct right?
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:09 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Look what got graded by beckett!

That is a very cool card if it is real.
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It falls under a "damaged or defective" card. It is defective because it is missing the autograph. You have one year from the products release to get it replaced.
I have never seen the word defective on the Topps website unless it has been changed.

When I have contacted Topps in the past about other cards they have referred to error cards like this as incomplete cards.
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I have never seen the word defective on the Topps website unless it has been changed.

When I have contacted Topps in the past about other cards they have referred to error cards like this as incomplete cards.
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That word has been on there for at least 3 years, since I first replaced a card.
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That word has been on there for at least 3 years, since I first replaced a card.
Wow it does say defective thanks.

Well Topps is aware of these cards so they better get on the ball and get something done about them soon.
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:27 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Wow it does say defective thanks.

Well Topps is aware of these cards so they better get on the ball and get something done about them soon.
Why????????
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Wow it does say defective thanks.

Well Topps is aware of these cards so they better get on the ball and get something done about them soon.
Well Bowman Chrome Baseball has been around since 1997 so if they cared they'd have done something by now.
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Why????????
Well I made them aware of these cards quite awhile back. If they continue to not reply they could be stalling and better not use the excuse a years up.

Again I don't believe that excuse is valid for autograph cards missing the autographs anyway but who knows.

Could be another potential Topps lawsuit.
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:45 PM   #60 (permalink)
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And card collectors wonder why this hobby is looked upon as nerdy.
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:48 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Wow it does say defective thanks.

Well Topps is aware of these cards so they better get on the ball and get something done about them soon.
I feel confident that if someone sent it in as either defective or as a missing hit, that topps would've sent out a replacement provided that person had UPC codes and a receipt.

They will not do anything about a card like that on the secondary market.
You knowingly and willfully bought it that way on ebay because you collect errors yes? So do some bong hits and enjoy them. But dont expect anything from Topps.

Furthermore, while there are known copies of on the missing auto,
there is no way for anyone to prove that the card was originally in that condition or if it had been wiped.

On another note , Did you notice that beckett gave that taveras blue a 10 auto?
Despite it not having an auto?

Clearly Beckett is not always perfect and occasionally label things incorrectly
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I feel confident that if someone sent it in as either defective or as a missing hit, that topps would've sent out a replacement provided that person had UPC codes and a receipt.

They will not do anything about a card like that on the secondary market.
You knowingly and willfully bought it that way on ebay because you collect errors yes? So do some bong hits and enjoy them. But dont expect anything from Topps.

Furthermore, while there are known copies of on the missing auto,
there is no way for anyone to prove that the card was originally in that condition or if it had been wiped.

I guess the only thing we can do is wait for answer from Topps.
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I guess the only thing we can do is wait for answer from Topps.
I dont need an answer from Topps.
Their policies for replacement do not apply to a purchase made on the secondary market.
You bought them that way, so enjoy them that way.
You simply have no grounds to ask Topps for any type of replacement or fix.
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I dont need an answer from Topps.
Their policies for replacement do not apply to a purchase made on the secondary market.
You bought them that way, so enjoy them that way.
You simply have no grounds to ask Topps for any type of replacement or fix.
What i think I find more troubling than Topps making all these errors is the people defending Topps.
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What I find troubling is that you knowingly buy cards without the auto, expect topps to do something about it, and then wonder why people question your motives.

If you had pulled it from a pack Im sure you would have got a replacement.

If you specifically WANT the no auto mistake, by all means buy them,

If you want buy them on ebay hoping topps to "fix" them for you,
dont expect anybody to support your endeavor.
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This just so happens to be a player whose autos are frequently found faded on these cards, thus making "10" autographs sell for a premium.

I'll leave it at that.
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What i think I find more troubling than Topps making all these errors is the people defending Topps.
people like you that looking to find a hole in the system to gain a profit for yourself is more troubling for many of us. Like many scammers out there.
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I guess I just can't believe Topps would be stupid enough to make autograph cards that could be wiped off like that.

Also have yet to see any real concrete type evidence.

I think the best thing to do would be for Topps to comment on this and either acknowledge it or deny it.
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Well there was another person who posted in the Profrar thread that it would be impossible to remove an autograph without some damage to the card.
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Hi Dave Peters, here is an example of an autographed card being wiped off and then re-signed by someone trying to fake a '10' autograph.

Fake "Certified" Bryce Harper Auto Alert!

Original auto, before being wiped off:


Fake auto, after being wiped off:
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This just so happens to be a player whose autos are frequently found faded on these cards, thus making "10" autographs sell for a premium.

I'll leave it at that.
don't give him an idea, next time he will bought faded autographed cards and sue topps for not using the correct marker and insist that faded card as an error. SMH
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What I find troubling is that you knowingly buy cards without the auto, expect topps to do something about it, and then wonder why people question your motives.

If you had pulled it from a pack Im sure you would have got a replacement.

If you specifically WANT the no auto mistake, by all means buy them,

If you want buy them on ebay hoping topps to "fix" them for you,
dont expect anybody to support your endeavor.


We seem to see things different. To me a mistake like an autograph card missing an autograph trumps whether it was pack pulled or bought on ebay.

It is a mistake on a certified autograph card.

Topps is first in line and obligated to fix this because money was involved.

The player got paid for signing it, the MLBPA made money from the rights, the team made money from the use of name and or logos and Topps made money from selling a certified autograph product.

Aside from that I would hope that Topps would be taking this very seriously as any unsigned card out there only diminishes trust in the company.
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Not sure if this was missed
I believe this Harper card was part of a large lot of cards that Brian Gray guy from Leaf sent in to be graded.

From what I can remember there was some discussion about the card not being able to be graded but people could only guess what the reason was and not sure if it was ever posted to why it wasn't graded.

People seemed to think the card wasn't graded because of that very thing. the autograph being wiped off and another autograph applied.

This goes back to me saying I am unsure that it is possible to remove an autograph from a card without leaving any trace or damage.

If this is indeed possible then in my opinion it is a huge problem for Topps.
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We seem to see things different. To me a mistake like an autograph card missing an autograph trumps whether it was pack pulled or bought on ebay.

It is a mistake on a certified autograph card.

Topps is first in line and obligated to fix this because money was involved.

The player got paid for signing it, the MLBPA made money from the rights, the team made money from the use of name and or logos and Topps made money from selling a certified autograph product.

Aside from that I would hope that Topps would be taking this very seriously as any unsigned card out there only diminishes trust in the company.
How do you know the player didnt sign exactly as many as he was paid and that this wasnt an overprinted card that "got stuck and acccidentally inserted" .

You bought it on the secondary market. ANY card can be trimmed, altered, have the patch or auto tampered with in some way.

This is factual is not "trolling"
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How do you know the player didnt sign exactly as many as he was paid and that this wasnt an overprinted card that "got stuck and acccidentally inserted" .

You bought it on the secondary market. ANY card can be trimmed, altered, have the patch or auto tampered with in some way.

This is factual is not "trolling"

I don't think Topps can use the excuse that the cards stuck together this time because there are so many of them. I have ten of them and I have seen that many more which I wasn't able to get.
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Why are you still discussing this?? Like others have been saying, with every response we give him it keeps his trolling going. I say stop making your case on these boards and go to Topps and take it up with them. You aren't getting your answers here and obviously nobody here is going to overpay for them.
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Look what got graded by beckett!

After closer examination this card looks strangely similar to one of my cards.
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