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Old 04-24-2013, 11:46 AM   #701 (permalink)
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It will probably be pretty bad. I don't see how they can make it that great with what they have to work with.
Which is why they added the jumbos this year. People will pre order the crap out of that.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:48 AM   #702 (permalink)
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Which is why they added the jumbos this year. People will pre order the crap out of that.
True, but they are being allocated.
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ROOKIES
39 Dylan Bundy
40 Adam Eaton
41 Casey Kelly
42 A.J. Ramos
43 Ryan Wheeler
44 Henry Rodriguez
83 Jurickson Profar
84 Avisail Garcia
85 Trevor Rosenthal
86 Jeurys Familia
87 Rob Brantly
88 Didi Gregorius
126 Shelby Miller
127 Jake Odorizzi
128 L.J. Hoes
129 Nick Maronde
130 Tyler Cloyd
131 Adeiny Hechavarria
170 Mike Olt
171 Paco Rodriguez
172 Darin Ruf
173 Tony Cingrani
174 Kyuji Fujikawa
175 Ali Solis
215 Manny Machado
216 Tyler Skaggs
217 Brock Holt
218 Hyun-Jin Ryu
219 Eury Perez
220 Melky Mesa

Prospects
BP1 Byron Buxton
BP2 Jonathan Griffin
BP3 Mark Montgomery
BP4 Gioskar Amaya
BP5 Lucas Giolito
BP6 Danny Salazar
BP7 Jesse Hahn
BP8 Tayler Scott
BP9 Ji-Man Choi
BP10 Tony Renda
BP11 Jamie Callahan
BP12 Collin Wiles
BP13 Tanner Rahier
BP14 Max White
BP15 Jeff Gelalich
BP16 Tyler Gonzales
BP17 Mitch Nay
BP18 Dane Phillips
BP19 Carson Kelly
BP20 Darwin Rivera
BP21 Arismendy Alcantara
BP22 Brandon Maurer
BP23 Jin-De Jhang
BP24 Bruce Rondon
BP25 Jonathan Schoop
BP26 Cory Hall
BP27 Cory Vaughn
BP28 Danny Muno
BP29 Edwin Diaz
BP30 Willians Astudillo
BP31 Hansel Robles
BP32 Harold Castro
BP33 Ismael Guillon
BP34 Jeremy Moore
BP35 Jose Cisnero
BP36 Jose Peraza
BP37 Jose Ramirez
BP38 Christian Villanueva
BP39 Brett Gerritse
BP40 Kris Hall
BP41 Matt Stites
BP42 Matt Wisler
BP43 Matthew Koch
BP44 Micah Johnson
BP45 Michael Reed
BP46 Michael Snyder
BP47 Michael Taylor
BP48 Nolan Sanburn
BP49 Patrick Leonard
BP50 Rafael Montero
BP51 Ronnie Freeman
BP52 Stephen Piscotty
BP53 Steven Moya
BP54 Chris McFarland
BP55 Todd Kibby
BP56 Tyler Heineman
BP57 Wade Hinkle
BP58 Wilfredo Rodriguez
BP59 William Cuevas
BP60 Yordano Ventura
BP61 Zach Bird
BP62 Socrates Brito
BP63 Ben Rowen
BP64 Seth Maness
BP65 Corey Dickerson
BP66 Travis Witherspoon
BP67 Travis Shaw
BP68 Lenny Linsky
BP69 Anderson Feliz
BP70 Casey Stevenson
BP71 Pedro Ruiz
BP72 Christian Bethancourt
BP73 Pedro Guerra
BP74 Ronald Guzman
BP75 Jake Thompson
BP76 Brian Goodwin
BP77 Jorge Bonifacio
BP78 Dilson Herrera
BP79 Gregory Polanco
BP80 Alex Meyer
BP81 Gabriel Encinas
BP82 Yeicok Calderon
BP83 Rio Ruiz
BP84 Luis Sardinas
BP85 Fu-Lin Kuo
BP86 Kelvin De Leon
BP87 Wyatt Mathisen
BP88 Dorssys Paulino
BP89 William Oliver
BP90 Rony Bautista
BP91 Gabriel Guerrero
BP92 Patrick Kivlehan
BP93 Ericson Leonora
BP94 Mikeson Oliberto
BP95 Roman Quinn
BP96 Shane Broyles
BP97 Cody Buckel
BP98 Clayton Blackburn
BP99 Evan Rutckyj
BP100 Carlos Correa
BP101 Ronny Rodriguez
BP102 Jayson Aquino
BP103 Adalberto Mondesi
BP104 Victor Sanchez
BP105 Jairo Beras
BP106 Stefen Romero
BP107 Alfredo Escalera-Maldonado
BP108 Kevin Medrano
BP109 Carlos Sanchez
BP110 Sam Selman

AUTOGRAPHS

Autographed Chrome Prospects
BCP-AA Andrew Aplin
BCP-AH Alen Hanson
BCP-AM Alex Meyer
BCP-BB Byron Buxton
BCP-BG Brian Goodwin
BCP-CB Christian Bethancourt
BCP-CBL Clayton Blackburn
BCP-CC Carlos Correa
BCP-CE C.J. Edwards
BCP-DC Daniel Corcino
BCP-DH Dilson Herrera
BCP-DP Dorssys Paulino
BCP-EB Eddie Butler
BCP-GA Gioskar Amaya
BCP-GP Gregory Polanco
BCP-JA Jayson Aquino
BCP-JB Jorge Bonifacio
BCP-JBE Jairo Beras
BCP-JBI Jesse Biddle
BCP-JM Julio Morban
BCP-JN Justin Nicolino
BCP-KP Kevin Pillar
BCP-LG Lucas Giolito
BCP-LS Luis Sardinas
BCP-MM Mark Montgomery
BCP-MO Matt Olson
BCP-MS Matthew Skole
BCP-OA Oswaldo Arcia
BCP-PK Patrick Kivlehan
BCP-PW Patrick Wisdom
BCP-RN Renato Nunez
BCP-RQ Roman Quinn
BCP-RR Rio Ruiz
BCP-RRO Ronny Rodriguez
BCP-SP Stephen Piscotty
BCP-SR Stefen Romero
BCP-SS Sam Selman
BCP-TP Tyler Pike
BCP-TW Taijuan Walker
BCP-VS Victor Sanchez
BCP-WM Wyatt Mathisen
BCP-YV Yordano Ventura

Autographed Chrome Rookies
ACR-AE Adam Eaton
ACR-AG Avisail Garcia
ACR-CK Casey Kelly
ACR-DB Dylan Bundy
ACR-DR Darin Ruf
ACR-JF Jeurys Familia
ACR-JO Jake Odorizzi
ACR-JP Jurickson Profar
ACR-MM Manny Machado
ACR-MO Mike Olt
ACR-NM Nick Maronde
ACR-PR Paco Rodriguez
ACR-SM Shelby Miller
ACR-TS Tyler Skaggs

Retail Autographs
BPA-AM Anthony Meo
BPA-AW Aaron West
BPA-BB Byron Buxton
BPA-BL Barret Loux
BPA-BR Ben Rowen
BPA-CC Carlos Correa
BPA-CK Carson Kelly
BPA-CW Collin Wiles
BPA-DP Dane Phillips
BPA-DS Danny Salazar
BPA-JB Josh Bowman
BPA-JC Ji-Man Choi
BPA-JCA Jamie Callahan
BPA-JG Jeff Gelalich
BPA-JH Jesse Hahn
BPA-KD Khris Davis
BPA-KM Kurtis Muller
BPA-LL Lenny Linsky
BPA-MM Matt Magill
BPA-MMQ Mike McQuillan
BPA-MW Max White
BPA-OC Orlando Calixte
BPA-TG Tyler Gonzales
BPA-TR Tanner Rahier
BPA-TS Tayler Scott

Autograph Black Ice
ABI1 Zack Wheeler
ABI2 Nick Castellanos
ABI3 C.J. Cron
ABI4 David Dahl
ABI5 Delino DeShields
ABI6 Joey Gallo
ABI7 Taylor Guerrieri
ABI8 Billy Hamilton
ABI9 Anthony Rendon
ABI10 Mike Zunino
ABI11 Max Fried
ABI12 Manny Machado
ABI13 Albert Almora
ABI14 Kevin Gausman
ABI15 Dylan Bundy
ABI16 Kolten Wong
ABI17 Francisco Lindor
ABI18 Javier Baez
ABI19 Kaleb Cowart
ABI20 Jameson Taillon
ABI21 Tyler Skaggs
ABI22 Kyle Zimmer
ABI23 Jonathan Singleton
ABI24 Andrew Heaney
ABI25 Courtney Hawkins
ABI26 Trevor Story
ABI27 Eddie Rosario
ABI28 Josh Bell
ABI29 Daniel Vogelbach
ABI30 Blake Swihart

RELICS

Futures Game Relics
FGR-AG Anthony Gose
FGR-AM Alfredo Marte
FGR-AP Ariel Pena
FGR-AS Ali Solis
FGR-BR Bruce Rondon
FGR-CY Christian Yelich
FGR-ER Enny Romero
FGR-FR Felipe Rivero
FGR-JH Jae-Hoon Ha
FGR-JO Jake Odorizzi
FGR-JR Julio Rodriguez
FGR-JS Jonathan Singleton
FGR-JT Jameson Taillon
FGR-KL Kyle Lotzkar
FGR-KW Kolten Wong
FGR-MC Michael Choice
FGR-OA Oswaldo Arcia
FGR-RB Rob Brantly
FGR-RL Rymer Liriano
FGR-SG Scooter Gennett
FGR-TJ Tommy Joseph
FGR-TS Tyler Skaggs
FGR-TW Taijuan Walker
FGR-WF Wilmer Flores
FGR-ZW Zack Wheeler
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:15 PM   #704 (permalink)
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anyone else wanna post the checklist again ?
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:23 PM   #705 (permalink)
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The question is, what is left for bowman chrome? Aside from puig, only Andre Rienzo can save that checklist.
Wait and see. Plenty more good names left.
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:53 PM   #706 (permalink)
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Anyone have a link for a checklist with teams for each player, without having to lookup each prospect that are not known? Thanks
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:11 PM   #707 (permalink)
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I'm going to make one BIG assumption but let's assume the following print runs for Prospects Autos ...

1,250 Base / 500 Refractor / 150 Blue / 50 Gold / 25 Orange / 10 Purple / 5 Red / 4 Printing Plate / Superfractor = 1995 TOTAL

And then RC autos ...

900 Base / 500 Refractor /150 Blue / 50 Gold / 25 Orange / 10 Purple / 5 Red / 4 Printing Plate / Superfractor = 1645 TOTAL

This estimate is an average of all players (even if some are SPed) and is lower than the production of 2012 Bowman Chrome, so I think it's a "safe" number. If you run the total number of autos available so far, (1995)(41) + (1645)(10) you end up with a total of 98,245 prospect and RC autos printed by Bowman. Now add in Bowman Black autos, and insert autos (~1,000) and you end up with a total auto count of 99,245

Bowman Draft had six hobby cases for every jumbo case, so in this same coalition, with 99,245 total autos (12 per hobby case, 24 per jumbo case), I'm estimating the following case run:

6,250 Hobby cases
1,000 Jumbo cases

For every new prospect auto Bowman adds on, this will increase the print run by another 120 hobby cases / 20 jumbo cases. This print run also suggests around 3 color autos per Jumbo case and 1.5 color autos per hobby case (which is much more like Bowman Chrome, and less like Bowman Draft where the average was 2 color per hobby case).

Long story short ... it's an insanely high print run which will make sets, base lots and inserts almost worthless.
I did some digging for you.

2011 Bowman had a print run of 3100 hobby and 2800 jumbo cases

2012 Bowman had a print run of 3300 jumbo cases, and I don't know that hobby was ever confirmed, but I think it was lower than 2011 based on odds. Both years had almost identical total print runs.

So the TOTAL print run both years was around 6,000 cases, evenly split between jumbo and hobby.

Maybe you should re-calculate your estimates based on 2011 and 2012 print runs. Do you really think 2013 would be that much worse compared to 11 or 12 in terms of production?
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:23 PM   #708 (permalink)
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Here's a few more of the Black Variation Autos /5



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Old 04-24-2013, 06:36 PM   #709 (permalink)
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Wait and see. Plenty more good names left.
Yep;

Mondesi
Morgan
Tocci
Franco
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Roache
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Mondesi
Morgan
Tocci
Franco
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Jenkins
Peraza
Roache
Montero
Still don't think it will top Bowman though. Chrome could be decent if Puig is in it, but won't be good unless it has that big name to drive it.
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Just ordered 2 hobby cases at $760 a piece. Plan on sitting on them for a while and hope they do what 2012 bowman did.
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Can anyone tell me which Los Angeles Angels signed autographs for 2013 Bowman Baseball ?
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damn those blacks looked purty...
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Can anyone tell me which Los Angeles Angels signed autographs for 2013 Bowman Baseball ?
None in the Chrome checklist. Cowart and Cron both have insert autos.
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None in the Chrome checklist. Cowart and Cron both have insert autos.
Maronde has a RC auto in it too. Trout has a box loader auto and I think thats about it
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Wait and see. Plenty more good names left.
As long as Roberto Osuna and Franklin Barreto have auto's, I'll be happy.
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Here's another Black Variation /5:

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Here's another Black Variation /5:

Wow Vogeltits really slimmed down
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Wow Vogeltits really slimmed down
Nah, that pic is from Little League
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Ha - yeah it must be...or super photo shopped.
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Now when they say Black Variation is that a black refractor or a black paper AU??
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Now when they say Black Variation is that a black refractor or a black paper AU??
I'm not sure but if I had to guess I'd say it's not chrome.
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I'm guessing black ice auto
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