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Old 04-18-2013, 04:26 PM   #26 (permalink)
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If I am remembering right, Beckett openly grades sheet cut cards. PSA claims they will not grade sheet cut cards.


What it comes down to is the fact that the most famous card, and PSA serial #1, breaks their own rule.

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Old 04-18-2013, 06:26 PM   #27 (permalink)
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All grading companies are shams.

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Old 04-18-2013, 06:49 PM   #28 (permalink)
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So I sent a card overnight ($20) last Thursday for a 2 day service ($65) plus shipping and insurance comes to $130 ish. I still have not gotten an email or call about the card. I just called and she asked me if I marked on the outside of the box that it was 2 day, and that they try to open all there mail but they don't always get to. She said they are still doing orders from April 1st. I told her I use Beckett and have never had this issue. Is this a real companyt?! They better not charge me for a 2 day still. Just another reason to never use PSA.
I actually sent cards out normal mail on Friday for 2 day service to BGS and they will be here Friday. I didn't have to put a white X with a circle on the box lol.

so did you mark the box as a two day service or not?
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so did you mark the box as a two day service or not?
So did you read the replies in the thread or not?
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:13 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Exceptionally troublesome.
Hmm...how so? I've got a signed item I want to get authenticated but don't want anything to go horribly wrong.
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:32 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Here is a link to this topic on FCB. The guy emailed someone at Beckett and here is their response. I guess this is proof.

Some disappointing information about BGS grading

Here is the OP from that link.
THIS IS BULLSH*T !!!!! PSA grades sheet cards to they just don't admit it beckett states as long as the card measures correct and has a good CUT. I know for a fact thousands of sheet cut cards have been graded by PSA. PSA should Stand for professional scammers authenticators. Atleast Beckett admits they will grade a sheet cut card with a clean cut. At the time PSA was Bribed by Bill Mastro To Grade The T206 wagner a NRMT MT 8. Years later one of the people that graded the wagner for PSA admitted he new the card was trimmed but graded it anyway and that is because bill mastro bribed PSA at the time to grade the card. PSA should be put out of business and is a huge FRAUD. Beckett is as honest of a company as there is and so is SGC for the most part.
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:36 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I know it's not grading, rather authentication, but I was really impressed with JSA this week. I sent them 4 autographs last Friday via Priority Mail. They arrived Monday in NJ. They had them graded and shipped out Tuesday and sent them overnight, and I had them today. Didn't pay for anything beyond the basic service and shipping. Talk about service!
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:36 AM   #33 (permalink)
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This is funny . Ok people both companies do shady crap. Its also done by the human eye on grading a card not a machine set up to determine anything. But i can say BGS has had plenty of issues one big one i know of is the Strausburg 1/1 that should have got a 7 or 8 grade and they gave 9.5 or 10. Also i have seen fake patch cards graded by BGS Also trimmed cards. You also hear stories about BGS grading a card the customer not liking the card from BGS sends to PSA and told its trimmed . Sends back to BGS and they say same thing. But this is after they graded before.
Ok beckett messed up that strausburg but take into consideration it was a 1/1. BUT PSA witch sould be SSA SCAM SPORTS AUTHENTICATOR. took bribe from bill mastro to grade the most treasured card in the world The T206 Wagner. Not only was that wagner cut from a sheet it was recut again by mastro and then years later graded by PSA.
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I know it's not grading, rather authentication, but I was really impressed with JSA this week. I sent them 4 autographs last Friday via Priority Mail. They arrived Monday in NJ. They had them graded and shipped out Tuesday and sent them overnight, and I had them today. Didn't pay for anything beyond the basic service and shipping. Talk about service!
Nice! How much did that cost, if you don't mind me asking?
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Ok beckett messed up that strausburg but take into consideration it was a 1/1. BUT PSA witch sould be SSA SCAM SPORTS AUTHENTICATOR. took bribe from bill mastro to grade the most treasured card in the world The T206 Wagner. Not only was that wagner cut from a sheet it was recut again by mastro and then years later graded by PSA.
Bill Mastro didn't even own the T206 Wagner when PSA graded it, it was long gone. You are just making things up now
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Nice! How much did that cost, if you don't mind me asking?
It depends on who the autographs are and what shipping you choose. I had 4 autographs, each at $20 per, plus $15 ground shipping. I had a $75 credit, so it was only $20.
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Bill Mastro didn't even own the T206 Wagner when PSA graded it, it was long gone. You are just making things up now
I know he didn't own the wagner at the time. Bill Mastro sold it to Jim Copland who was the one who consigned it to the auction house that Sold it to Gretzky and Bruce Mcnall back in 1990 or 1991. When the card sold for over $400k I think it was. It was rumored then to have been Trimmed and Gretzky was informed that the card could be altered and advised to get it look at by PSA witch was just starting to grade cards at the time. Mastro Bribed the graders at PSA to grade that wagner and they did and years later the person that graded that wagner admitted it was trimmed. PSA is Scum and Joe Orlando is a giant Fraud
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Ok beckett messed up that strausburg but take into consideration it was a 1/1.
Nothing you say beyond this matters.
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Nothing you say beyond this matters.
go read the book mint condition or the card everything I have stated is the truth. PSA is the worst company and is a fraud you will see soon enough
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i get that....

but, if a card measures within their set tolerances, how would anyone know it was trimmed, or cut from a sheet?

i wouldn't be able to tell. that's for damn sure.
Read up on OPC cards from the 1980's. Their edges are widely known to be "fuzzy". So when a clean OPC Gretzky BGS 9.5 shows up, it's most likely been cut from a sheet.

This is a Gretzky that is a PSA 10 and shows the real OPC edges.
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go read the book mint condition or the card everything I have stated is the truth. PSA is the worst company and is a fraud you will see soon enough
What former banned member are you?
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What former banned member are you?
Gotta be the guy from that other PSA thread where 99 of his total 100 posts were just hatred of PSA. I forget the SN.
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So it's bad enough that you are sending a package to PSA, so if you put 2 Day Service on the package the guy going through mailboxes knows that's definitely the one to take since its most likely more valuable.
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So lets let BGS Slide for grading a 1/1 . Also lets let them slide for grading cards with fake patches. Lets just say all grading companies have issues. Its done by different people with different opinions . You send a card in today it gets an 8 due to say surface . You break it out clean the surface and resub its gets a 9.5 . Come on there are computers now than can get this done without the human eye .
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Also lets let them slide for grading cards with fake patches.
To be fair, how are they supposed to know what is a fake patch and what isn't? Until the card companies step up and create an online database that shows every serial numbered card and what the original patch looked like, there are always going to be fake patches.

Leaf gets a ton of flack (and some of it rightfully so), but at least they have a patch card database up for some of their better patches.
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BGS screws up. PSA screws up.

This isn't new information.
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BGS screws up. PSA screws up.

This isn't new information.
At least BGS sticks to their time schedule. I actually got my card a day early from BGS. Still waiting to get my card from PSA that I overnighted on the 11th. Called psa just now and the lady was a bitch. Never ever will I use psa , don't care if it tripled the value of my card.
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So did you read the replies in the thread or not?


well if you didn't then your unmarked package will be pushed back to the slowest service
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