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Old 06-10-2013, 05:54 PM   #126 (permalink)
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I like Porcello, but he needs to go. It's only a matter of time before he has another meltdown. We already have 1 meltdown we are dealing with. We don't need that for a Starting Pitcher. Cut Porcello, bring up someone else from AAA for cheap who can fill in when needed, give the difference to Scherzer.
What?!?!?

Porcello was the top rated HS player in his draft, is still only 24, and the last month has been the best he has pitched his whole career and you want to cut him????
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I'm sorry, but I can't have a conversation here if you guys really want to talk about making the team worse. I want to win MULTIPLE World Series titles. Drew Smyly starting or getting rid of Rick Porcello doesn't accomplish that.
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I'd take Scherzer over Fister every day of the week. Deal him off.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:00 PM   #129 (permalink)
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What?!?!?

Porcello was the top rated HS player in his draft, is still only 24, and the last month has been the best he has pitched his whole career and you want to cut him????
Big difference between high school and the Big Leagues.
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I'm sorry, but I can't have a conversation here if you guys really want to talk about making the team worse. I want to win MULTIPLE World Series titles. Drew Smyly starting or getting rid of Rick Porcello doesn't accomplish that.
Again, how is keeping Scherzer instead of having Fister, Jackson, SS, Catcher making the team worse?

When you already have multiple Aces, it's WAAAAYYY easier to backfill a starting rotation than filling in 3 starting spots and another #2 level starting pitcher.

It's not keep the team as is and keep Scherzer or keep it as is and get rid of him.

If they keep him, they will lose multiple starters due to not being able to sign them

You are absolutely nuts if you can't see this and understand it
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Again, how is keeping Scherzer instead of having Fister, Jackson, SS, Catcher making the team worse?

When you already have multiple Aces, it's WAAAAYYY easier to backfill a starting rotation than filling in 3 starting spots and another #2 level starting pitcher.

It's not keep the team as is and keep Scherzer or keep it as is and get rid of him.

If they keep him, they will lose multiple starters due to not being able to sign them

You are absolutely nuts if you can see this and understand it
I think you are the only who has the logic...
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I'd take Scherzer over Fister every day of the week. Deal him off.
Fister wouldn't bring in half the quality of players that Scherzer would while Scherzer isn't twice the pitcher Fister is

Sum of all parts people, need to look at the whole picture, not just individual pieces in a vaccum
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I'm sorry, but I can't have a conversation here if you guys really want to talk about making the team worse. I want to win MULTIPLE World Series titles. Drew Smyly starting or getting rid of Rick Porcello doesn't accomplish that.
The problem is Cabrera. We need to send him down to Single A. Dude couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
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Fister wouldn't bring in half the quality of players that Scherzer would while Scherzer isn't twice the pitcher Fister is

Sum of all parts people, need to look at the whole picture, not just individual pieces in a vaccum
Best way to diagnose and fix something is by looking at the individual pieces.
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Again, how is keeping Scherzer instead of having Fister, Jackson, SS, Catcher making the team worse?

When you already have multiple Aces, it's WAAAAYYY easier to backfill a starting rotation than filling in 3 starting spots and another #2 level starting pitcher.

It's not keep the team as is and keep Scherzer or keep it as is and get rid of him.

If they keep him, they will lose multiple starters due to not being able to sign them

You are absolutely nuts if you can see this and understand it
You do realize:

A) not every player will/has to be an All-Star

B) they do have money coming off the books

C) Baseball revenue continues to go up

and

D) Mr. I is out of his mind and will spend until he passes

Why do they need a catcher? Because Avila has struggled for 2 months? The guy has a career .350 OBP, what's wrong with that? It's extremely productive. And if you want a new catcher, maybe in 2 years, James McCann will be an average catcher. Maybe one of the few shortstops (I doubt it) will turn into being above average defensively, so the offense won't matter much?

Blowing the team up as you suggest is shortsighted and counterproductive.
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You do realize:

A) not every player will/has to be an All-Star

B) they do have money coming off the books

C) Baseball revenue continues to go up

and

D) Mr. I is out of his mind and will spend until he passes

Why do they need a catcher? Because Avila has struggled for 2 months? The guy has a career .350 OBP, what's wrong with that? It's extremely productive. And if you want a new catcher, maybe in 2 years, James McCann will be an average catcher. Maybe one of the few shortstops (I doubt it) will turn into being above average defensively, so the offense won't matter much?

Blowing the team up as you suggest is shortsighted and counterproductive.

Trading Scherzer is blowing up the team, Ok,
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I think you are the only who has the logic...
Find your source yet?
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The problem is Cabrera. We need to send him down to Single A. Dude couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
Funny, but seriously, the problem is Prince

Don't get me wrong, I love the guy and want him here, but moving forward its going to hurt us more than helping us.

With bats like Castellanos and Garcia coming up soon and the need to move Miggy to first in a couple years, the Prince contract is really keeping us from re-signing a guy like Scherzer
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Find your source yet?
The reason I don't respond to you is because you have no logic, you always troll me, and he never said he wasn't going to negotiate in season.
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Trading Scherzer is blowing up the team, Ok,
On a team trying to win the World Series? It is.

They have money coming off the books this year and next year that you can probably resign a few guys, and truthfully, if you guys talk about shedding payroll to make room, look at (everyone's and my favorite Tiger), the guy people seem to want to give a massive contract extension to at age 33.
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The reason I don't respond to you is because you have no logic, you always troll me, and he never said he wasn't going to negotiate in season.
Why don't I have logic? I don't troll either. You said he was close to a 3-4 year extension, so I want to know the (wrong) source who said that.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:09 PM   #142 (permalink)
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You do realize:

A) not every player will/has to be an All-Star

B) they do have money coming off the books

C) Baseball revenue continues to go up

and

D) Mr. I is out of his mind and will spend until he passes

Why do they need a catcher? Because Avila has struggled for 2 months? The guy has a career .350 OBP, what's wrong with that? It's extremely productive. And if you want a new catcher, maybe in 2 years, James McCann will be an average catcher. Maybe one of the few shortstops (I doubt it) will turn into being above average defensively, so the offense won't matter much?

Blowing the team up as you suggest is shortsighted and counterproductive.
You realize that re-signing Scherzer and losing Jackson and Fister (and maybe more) is more of blowing up the team than trading Scherzer, right?

I'm just saying SS and Catcher now because as of this second, that's where I'd want to bring in new talent, that could change by the deadline next year and if that's the case, we then trade Scherzer for something else, maybe some elite prospects at 2B, SP, and some filler
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He isn't signing in season.


Report: Miguel Cabrera denies extension talks with Detroit Tigers, won't negotiate contract during season | MLive.com
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That's what I read shortly after I read this thread, so asking for a source apparently makes me a troll.
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He can say that all he wants, but when his agent is working behind the scenes on a 25+ million per year extension and brings it to him in a few weeks, things can change very quickly
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The reason I don't respond to you is because you have no logic, you always troll me, and he never said he wasn't going to negotiate in season.
Fail..............
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He can say that all he wants, but when his agent is working behind the scenes on a 25+ million per year extension and brings it to him in a few weeks, things can change very quickly

Welcome back. I haven't seen you since Arizona lost.


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Old 06-10-2013, 06:16 PM   #148 (permalink)
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Welcome back. I haven't seen you since Arizona lost.


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Uh....... What????

I admitted I was wrong, said I was done talking about college hoops for the year and have been posting in all the other forums since then, not sure where you think I went to, been here the whole time
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Just busting you chops. Lol
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You realize that re-signing Scherzer and losing Jackson and Fister (and maybe more) is more of blowing up the team than trading Scherzer, right?

I'm just saying SS and Catcher now because as of this second, that's where I'd want to bring in new talent, that could change by the deadline next year and if that's the case, we then trade Scherzer for something else, maybe some elite prospects at 2B, SP, and some filler
I didn't say you necessarily have to re-sign him, just that I wouldn't trade him.

The best way to save money is to not give Miguel Cabrera anything more than a 3 year extension. Otherwise, you're headed in a dangerous direction having Verlander (who I happen to think will age well), Fielder and Cabrera all past their 'prime years' (and I'm not so sure Miggy/Prince will age well).
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