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Old 10-11-2013, 09:40 PM   #176 (permalink)
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THIS^^^^
it's the BRYCE HARPER bait and switch all over again.
the main problem is giving one company the mlbpa/mlb license plain and simple.
what bait & switch product are you refering to with harper involved?
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:43 PM   #177 (permalink)
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what bait & switch product are you refering to with harper involved?
2010 Bowman chrome.
orders were in HARPER was to be included and then?
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:48 PM   #178 (permalink)
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2010 Bowman chrome.
orders were in HARPER was to be included and then?
i dont remember topps ever suggesting harper would be in 2010 bowman chrome & they already had strasburg. topps did however have a harper green parallel auto in 2010 draft numbered to 350.
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:57 PM   #179 (permalink)
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2010 Bowman chrome.
orders were in HARPER was to be included and then?
lol. Why would Harper have been in 2010 Bowman Chrome?

A) He was drafted in 2010.
B) He had a USA card in 2010 Bowman.
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:57 PM   #180 (permalink)
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i dont remember topps ever suggesting harper would be in 2010 bowman chrome & they already had strasburg. topps did however have a harper green parallel auto in 2010 draft numbered to 350.
He was supposed to have a BUY BACK auto included in packs of 2010 BC which then turned into the wrapper redemption.
they didn't make it in packs boxes cases due to production error

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Old 10-11-2013, 10:02 PM   #181 (permalink)
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lol. Why would Harper have been in 2010 Bowman Chrome?

A) He was drafted in 2010.
B) He had a USA card in 2010 Bowman.
see above post
not as a base card but as part of the buy back autos that were supposed to be included in boxes/cases
this was talked about in many threads before product went live and after.

Beckett News » Topps unveils Bowman Chrome wrapper redemption; admits USA Buyback error

BRYCE HARPER in 2010 Bowman Chrome????



Bowman chrome wrapper redemption program announced! (buybacks!)

Topps Announces 2010 Bowman Chrome Wrapper Redemption Program - Cardboard Connection

due to PRODUCTION error they did not make it in packs

.... and more
http://sportscardmagazine.net/2012/1...o-redemptions/

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Old 10-11-2013, 10:08 PM   #182 (permalink)
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:21 PM   #183 (permalink)
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I just hope they don't make a 60 auto checklist and fill it with guys from the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:31 PM   #184 (permalink)
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How bout this simple conclusion Festus?

The initial idea was for Kris Bryant to be in 2013 Bowman Draft. However; because pre-sale numbers were so high (due to a successful '12 Draft) for the product already; Topps decided to pull back Bryan from '13 Draft and include him in '14 Bowman; where his announcement would sell more cases (because the product needed someone to carry it).

Kris Bryant, not realizing that he was going to be asked to trash the cards Bowman initially sent him; decided to tweet a picture of his card like so many have done before; and Topps immediately announced he would be in '14 Bowman as damage control.
You're really reaching now Mike.
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:35 PM   #185 (permalink)
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OMG hopefully not back to back products. I am not looking forward to a high number of autos either. Either way, I like to read these updates on the checklist more for the drama than anything cause when it comes down to it I am going to bust. However, I am getting used to knowing whether or not my chances are good or not instead of finding out after I rip. Then again I am mainly a rip collector to build sets. I am always looking forward to a couple more good pirates prospects in this years draft.
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:38 PM   #186 (permalink)
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You're really reaching now Mike.
Seems like the only logical explanation as to why Bowman would send Bryant his 2013 Bowman Draft cards to sign, only to announce him in 2014.

Somewhere along the way, the decision was made to include in him Draft / then to axe that and include him in Bowman '14. If I were a business, the reason I would make that change is monetary.

I think Topps knew from an early standpoint that '13 Bowman was going to be a flop and was worried that '14 Bowman would lose interest from case-buyers that took a bath on the chrome release.

Also; with the majority of top prospects being put into Draft already, what does Bowman '14 have to allure buyers other than Appel (And he's really not that appealing)? Topps has exhausted nearly all possible prospects other than those in the '14 Draft for big value haven't they?
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Seems like the only logical explanation as to why Bowman would send Bryant his 2013 Bowman Draft cards to sign, only to announce him in 2014.

Somewhere along the way, the decision was made to include in him Draft / then to axe that and include him in Bowman '14. If I were a business, the reason I would make that change is monetary.

I think Topps knew from an early standpoint that '13 Bowman was going to be a flop and was worried that '14 Bowman would lose interest from case-buyers that took a bath on the chrome release.

Also; with the majority of top prospects being put into Draft already, what does Bowman '14 have to allure buyers other than Appel (And he's really not that appealing)? Topps has exhausted nearly all possible prospects other than those in the '14 Draft for big value haven't they?
there is plenty of time to spice up 2014 bowman. heres an example: jose abreu
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I would give more credence to a card that has been already produced over a mock-up copy that was placed on a sale sheet.
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there is plenty of time to spice up 2014 bowman. heres an example: jose abreu
There are a ton of players with no Chrome autos right now that I would love to see that could be used for 2014 Bowman.
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:00 PM   #190 (permalink)
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Give me Jp Crawford or kill me
YES! One of the main reasons I bought 10 spots in SCB's 10 Caser
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It's too bad, I like the 2013 Bryant much much MUCH more than the 2014.
I absolutely agree, not a fan of the '14 at all.
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I would have been happy with a draft rookie chrome and paper of Bryant. Then his auto paper could be in 2014 bowman. After all I am collecting "draft"
Maybe they should rename products.
Bowman "first 2 draft picks and ??" w/ chrome
Bowman "international" w/ chrome
Bowman " 3rd pick to 3rd round" w/chrome
Then put a asterisk stating well throw in anybody
Else we like not you guys who are collecting and spending tons of money to fatten or auto checklist.

I'm a collector but topps is just screwing things up with everything including wrapper redemptions but since there really isn't no true competitor in the business value wise to a bowman auto of a player they can get away with it to our annoyance
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Old 10-15-2013, 09:25 AM   #193 (permalink)
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When will they start announcing autos
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Old 10-15-2013, 09:54 AM   #194 (permalink)
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When will they start announcing autos
They already have. Bryant has been announced as a Bowman Black and AFLAC, and Clint Frazier as a Chrome. Hopefully more today.
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They already have. Bryant has been announced as a Bowman Black and AFLAC, and Clint Frazier as a Chrome. Hopefully more today.
Oh ok, in your opinion, who are the top prospects who will be held back til '14
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Oh ok, in your opinion, who are the top prospects who will be held back til '14
Bryant's Chrome, Appel and possibly Gray.
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Old 10-15-2013, 01:10 PM   #197 (permalink)
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I guess Topps didn't learn from the recent Chrome release. No Bryant in 13' draft means these cases will be hard on people who break them hoping for profit. I haven't bought a case since 2011 and thought about ordering one but not now. No way to come out unless you get extremely lucky no matter how many Clint Fraziers, etc you pull. Will it be better than 2013 Bowman Chrome, yes. Good enough to make a profit busting..probably not. Singles only again for me.
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I guess Topps didn't learn from the recent Chrome release. No Bryant in 13' draft means these cases will be hard on people who break them hoping for profit. I haven't bought a case since 2011 and thought about ordering one but not now. Now way to come out unless you get extremely lucky no matter how many Clint Fraziers, etc you pull. Will it be better than 2013 Bowman Chrome, yes. Good enough to make a profit busting..probably not. Singles only again for me.
Yeah this year's class does has some punch, but if the top 3 picks are held out, it definitely limits the immediate return for case breakers. I'd love to see Bryant in and the other two held back for '14 Bowman, but any of the three of them would really help '13 BDP.
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Old 10-15-2013, 01:30 PM   #199 (permalink)
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I want answers....

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don't think they'll be answering.... other than he'll have autos in 2013 DRAFT
still the card posted is obviously live and 2013 design

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Now way to come out unless you get extremely lucky no matter how many Clint Fraziers, etc you pull
let the checklist fill out before making baseless statements
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