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Old 03-13-2008, 09:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Does anyone here think these boxes are worth the price to break open for the Arod RC? I would like to try one but don't know if its worth it. I've never seen the foil RC myself but I hear they are very condition sensitive. I'm afraid if I do find the average 2 Arod's I won't get any better grade than a 8-8.5 which won't get half the return of what the box is worth.

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trust me dont buy them. Just save the money and buy a psa 9. I opened 2 boxes back in 94 and did get 3 afrauds but the condition was just as you stated 8 or 8.5. Best bang for the buck is a psa 9 next to impossible to find from a pack.
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These boxes don't, I repeat don't, average 2 Arods per box. A 12-box case will yield 15 to 18, but most often 15. Believe me, I have opened 5 cases of this product. I never did get a single 9.5, and I was extremely careful. I did get a whole lot that are 9.0 with one or 2 9.5 on the same card. Some have had 10 grades on the card, but there is always something that keeps them from grading a 9.5. It's always something different too.

Trust me, if you only bought one box, it's very, very unlikely that you would be able to pull a 9.5. Good luck if you try though. Let us know how you do. I would love to hear that you pulled one.

By the way, I still have 2 sealed cases. Hoping to have the last two eventually.
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Wow, 2 sealed cases, thats pimp right there. Question is, if you do sell them, when do you? Homerun #761?

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to say this here because of the courtesy to Blowout on wax prices, but since they don't carry 1994, it might be ok. I found a place that has a box for 30% less than what they are selling on Ebay. So if I decide to go for it, at least I get a deal.
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30% less is a nice deal! You might want to consider that, as the box prices will only go up as long as he stays healthy.

The only way I would sell these cases is if someone offered me a ridiculous amount for them. What I would love to do is be told that they are the last two to exist, (yeah right, like that's going to happen), and then in public, I would display the two, and bust open one and box it out right there. That way everyone would know/think there's only the one left.
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I still can't believe that nobody really cares about the 1994 Leaf Limited Rookies Phenom of his that is serial'd to 5000. Its at least 10 times more rare than the SP. I found 2 boxes for half the price of Ebay and found the Arod. It came out of the pack with a bent corner, I was pissed. It graded a BGS 6.5 with subgrades of 9.5, 8.5, 8, 6.

I might just go for more of them and hope one day people realize how rare they actually are.
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How much did you get a box for? I see them for $230, but one gold phenom per box? How many boxes would it take to hit an arod.

Actually I think I have answered my question, there are 30,000 boxes, and 5,000 Arods so 6 boxes it would take on average. $230 a box, would cost $1380.

It is a little late but here was a GREAT auction! 1994 ALEX RODRIGUEZ SP PHENOMS LOT PSA 9 BGS 9 YANKEES - eBay (item 350033177528 end time Mar-12-08 19:00:00 PDT)
I wish the guy accepted paypal, if he did I would of went to $15,000.

How hard is it to get this Arod?
ALEX RODRIGUEZ 1994 SPORTFLICS SP ARTIST'S PROOF PSA 10 - eBay (item 260219215178 end time Mar-13-08 10:03:05 PDT)

So what we are saying jiggs is that SP may not be the best option for the Arod box.

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I paid $135 per box on the Leaf Limited about 3 months ago. The Artist Proof Arod is very rare, maybe his rarest RC, the odds on finding that are 1 out of every 150 boxes.

I might just buy the SP box and flip it for a couple hun.
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I paid $135 per box on the Leaf Limited about 3 months ago. The Artist Proof Arod is very rare, maybe his rarest RC, the odds on finding that are 1 out of every 150 boxes.

I might just buy the SP box and flip it for a couple hun.
That would be $810 per Arod. of course with 6 boxes I am sure there would be a lot of inserts with the box, and it you got a good arod, you could get it graded by bccg and sell it for $1,000.

1994 Leaf Limited Alex Rodriguez Rookie Phenoms BCCG 10 - eBay (item 290211048531 end time Mar-05-08 22:08:44 PST)

In my dealing with bccg cards, if the card is a psa 7 or 8, it will probably get a bccg 10.
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The problem with the Leaf Limited Rookies set is its worthless. Even with only 30,000 boxes made, you can't sell a complete set for more than $5. Even the other 9 phenoms won't bring more than a couple bucks, even the Manny Ramirez.
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The problem with the Leaf Limited Rookies set is its worthless. Even with only 30,000 boxes made, you can't sell a complete set for more than $5. Even the other 9 phenoms won't bring more than a couple bucks, even the Manny Ramirez.
That might be true, but that is the same for all other brands. What I was saying is that in the 6 boxes that you don't get the Arod, you will throw the base cards in a box, and you will probably get a few decent cards, and like 60 inserts. Then you can just throw them on checkoutmycards.com for 75% off and get like $100 for all of the other cards.
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The problem with the Leaf Limited Rookies set is its worthless. Even with only 30,000 boxes made, you can't sell a complete set for more than $5. Even the other 9 phenoms won't bring more than a couple bucks, even the Manny Ramirez.
You must be talking about a complete set WITHOUT A-Rod??

Also, please, Please, PLEASE don't add your good traders to your signature. This is NOT the Beckett boards. We like to see what everybody's current thoughts are...

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That was the other problem with that series, there are no other inserts besides the phenoms.
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You must be talking about a complete set WITHOUT A-Rod??

Also, please, Please, PLEASE don't add your good traders to your signature. This is NOT the Beckett boards. We like to see what everybody's current thoughts are...

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Yeah, the base set alone, Arod isn't part of it. The phenoms that were limited to 5000 has the Arod, there are 10 total.

Sorry about the sig, didn't know how everyone on this board felt about that. I'll remove it.
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I still can't believe that nobody really cares about the 1994 Leaf Limited Rookies Phenom of his that is serial'd to 5000. Its at least 10 times more rare than the SP. I found 2 boxes for half the price of Ebay and found the Arod. It came out of the pack with a bent corner, I was pissed. It graded a BGS 6.5 with subgrades of 9.5, 8.5, 8, 6.

I might just go for more of them and hope one day people realize how rare they actually are.
It probably isn't 10x rarer, there wasn't much 1994 SP made and there isn't much around now.

The one that is real rare is that Score Update Redemption. Almost no one opened it, and even people who did (like me) never got one.

Score didn't do much quality control so a nice PSA 9 or higher is very rare.

Don't open the sealed SP Box, you probably won't get even a PSA 9 on the A-Rod you get and the boxes are going for $750+ these days at shows.
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Old 03-15-2008, 06:11 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Another thing about the 94 SP boxes is that they came in either 24 or 32 packs but it doesn't say how many on the box. Is there a way to tell?
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Another thing about the 94 SP boxes is that they came in either 24 or 32 packs but it doesn't say how many on the box. Is there a way to tell?
They only came one way - I think that it was 32 packs in a box - you also could hit Blue holoview Arod which is worth a couple of bucks and every other box has a red holoview diecut in it - the arod is worth 2K

Back in 94 I opened close to 2 cases of this stuff - I was offered 100 full sets (including RC's) and passed on them at $25 per.....Oh to go back....
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They only came one way - I think that it was 32 packs in a box - you also could hit Blue holoview Arod which is worth a couple of bucks and every other box has a red holoview diecut in it - the arod is worth 2K

Back in 94 I opened close to 2 cases of this stuff - I was offered 100 full sets (including RC's) and passed on them at $25 per.....Oh to go back....
I believe the blue holoviews are 1 in 5 packs. There are only 32-pack boxes that I know of, so you will get 6 or 7 holoviews per box. There are 38 cards in the holoview set and you end up averaging 2 Arods per case. (I have pulled 4 in one case before).

The red holoviews are seeded 1 in 75 packs, so just over 2 boxes. You get 5 per case. There will be one red Holoview Arod in every 8 cases on average. There is also the Michael Jordan blue and red holoviews in this product that sell decently if graded high.

I'm amazed how the red holoview die cut Arod card only sells for around $2K. There's one in 8 cases, and there are about 128 regular rookie Arod cards in those same 8 cases.

Not sure if any of this helps you out or not, but the best advice anyone can give you, which several already have, is to keep that box sealed.
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i had a 1/2 dozen cases of 94 sp in 2004. i sold them all (matt, i believe i may have sold you a case or two) to help finance all the 03/04 basketball product i bought. ended up clearing nearly 75k. that said, i'd sell those 94 sp cases & put the money in say, 2008 bowman chrome baseball? something you know will appreciate. i would guess a 94 sp case would go for around 8k-8.5k. bowman chrome can double in a year or two. 94 sp will never be a 16k-17k case.

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After doing some checking, it looks like there are 24 and 32 pack count boxes. The hobby boxes appear to have only 24 packs.
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i had a 1/2 dozen cases of 94 sp in 2004. i sold them all (matt, i believe i may have sold you a case or two) to help finance all the 03/04 basketball product i bought. ended up clearing nearly 75k. that said, i'd sell those 94 sp cases & put the money in say, 2008 bowman chrome baseball? something you know will appreciate. i would guess a 94 sp case would go for around 8k-8.5k. bowman chrome can double in a year or two. 94 sp will never be a 16k-17k case.
Is your user ID RJAKE? If so, I remember buying from you. I wanted more, but wasn't sure it made sense to buy so many at the time.

I wouldn't sell these cases now for less than $10K. I could box them out for $750 per box after a hot streak and get $9K per case. I do understand what you're saying though about using this money to double on something else, but I also think these cases could still climb in price. I'm a collector, so I believe I will always have at least one stashed away. Unless the IRS finds out and decides to tax me on it like they do homerun balls now.
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After doing some checking, it looks like there are 24 and 32 pack count boxes. The hobby boxes appear to have only 24 packs.
I could be wrong here, but the cases I bought from my hobby dealer all had 32-count boxes, and I know this for sure. I have never seen a box with only 24 packs. Could anyone else clear this up beyond a resonable doubt?
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I could be wrong here, but the cases I bought from my hobby dealer all had 32-count boxes, and I know this for sure. I have never seen a box with only 24 packs. Could anyone else clear this up beyond a resonable doubt?
Here is a site that is advertising 24 pack. I've also seen Ebay auctions in the past where the seller states they don't know for sure how many the box contains. I could be very wrong too, and I seem to not be the only one confused with this particular series.
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I removed the link, didn't think about being a competitor. Google is your friend, "1994 SP Baseball Box".

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I have seen people stating their sealed boxes having 24 packs in them, but they were the 32 count boxes. I think people confuse 94 SP with 93 SP. I believe 93 SP had 24 count boxes only. That's probably where the confusion lies.
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