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Old 01-27-2014, 11:09 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Polanco at 24?????????????
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Old 01-27-2014, 11:13 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I count 32 right handed pitchers above CJ Edwards, 39 total.
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Old 01-27-2014, 11:15 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Im a royals fan and I still think Ventura should be around 20-25 but im pretty happy at 29 for mondesi
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Old 01-27-2014, 11:16 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I hate Lindor at 6.
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Old 01-27-2014, 11:17 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I hate Lindor at 6.
My blue Lindor likes it...shame no one wants it :/
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Old 01-27-2014, 11:18 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I count 32 right handed pitchers above CJ Edwards, 39 total.
I ONLY CARE ABOUT SICKELS!!!!

I think Parks has CJE too low, to be honest. He has a pretty high ceiling, and prospect lists shouldn't be overly concerned with floors. Its all about potential. Now....I don't CJE is a top 10 RHP.....but I don't see 32 guys ahead of him with his ceiling.
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Old 01-27-2014, 11:20 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I hate Lindor at 6.
His defensive skills definitely influence his rank, probably best defensive SS prospect.
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Old 01-27-2014, 11:22 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Whoa, wonder what Gregory Polanco did to these guys? 24?
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I hate Lindor at 6.
Parks has always been high on Lindor he was ranked 10 last year
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Old 01-27-2014, 11:26 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Compared to MLB Networks top 50 just shows how subjective these lists are after the first few prospects
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Old 01-27-2014, 11:42 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Compared to MLB Networks top 50 just shows how subjective these lists are after the first few prospects
Well, they are subjective by nature, aren't they? There is no "science" to ranking prospects that span different levels of of professional play not to mention mixing position players and pitchers. Most of these guys have a standard approach to evaluating prospects....those approaches frequently result in different rankings. But they aren't choosing names at random. A lot of work goes into these and they are using standard criteria.
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I ONLY CARE ABOUT SICKELS!!!!

I think Parks has CJE too low, to be honest. He has a pretty high ceiling, and prospect lists shouldn't be overly concerned with floors. Its all about potential. Now....I don't CJE is a top 10 RHP.....but I don't see 32 guys ahead of him with his ceiling.
Folks like me see his arms, which closely resemble those of an Ethiopian marathoner, and see cause for some durability concerns. Although, I guess you can't strain muscles that you don't have. You can't argue that his stuff isn't electric. I do agree that 81 is low, I'd be comfortable with him in the 40 - 55 range.

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Old 01-27-2014, 11:48 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Funny how he's the lowest on C.J. and he's a huge Cubs homer
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Old 01-27-2014, 11:54 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Lucas Giolito at 13 overall! Huge difference than MLB's list at 44!

AJ Cole in the upper 50s vs upper 60s on MLB.

Nice to see Brian Goodwin still on there!
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Old 01-27-2014, 11:58 AM   #40 (permalink)
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Funny how he's the lowest on C.J. and he's a huge Cubs homer
Via Jason Parks #2/3 type. Not sure why people...

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#2/3 type. Not sure why people think he's an ace. RT @Demarrer2790 @ProfessorParks If durability wasnt a ?, what would be CJ Edwards ceiling
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@Demarrer2790 @ProfessorParks If durability wasnt a ?, what would be CJ Edwards ceiling
And once again, someone misunderstands how "ceiling" works. Durability has no effect on a player's ceiling...just the chances he can hit that ceiling.
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I ONLY CARE ABOUT SICKELS!!!!

I think Parks has CJE too low, to be honest. He has a pretty high ceiling, and prospect lists shouldn't be overly concerned with floors. Its all about potential. Now....I don't CJE is a top 10 RHP.....but I don't see 32 guys ahead of him with his ceiling.
For metsplaya, I hope CJE reaches his full potential. Plus, then I'll be able to go down to Wrigley and watch CJE come out of the bull-pen in the 8th inning!
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Old 01-27-2014, 12:41 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I like seeing Baez at #4. Seems no one wants to put him that high due to the risk factor, but the guy flat out raked in 2013 and his ceiling is about as high as anyone's...so why not?

Still not a fan of Lindor...I don't see him being an impact player at the ML level. Then again, I think more in terms of card value than baseball value. He will be a way better baseball player than he is a card investment.

Gregory Polanco is top 10 material.

Yordano doesn't belong in the top 35. Way too high.

As for the CJ argument going on in this thread:
CJ Edwards is WAY too low. I'm definitely higher on him than some, but not to crack the top 50 is a joke given what he's done so far. I'd have him in the 25-40 range. Yes, durability is a concern given his size, but the guy has flat-out dominated everywhere he's been since turning pro. This will be the make or break season for him as a prospect...his 2013 couldn't have possibly been better but now it's time to do it against the upper levels of the Minors.
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Old 01-27-2014, 01:01 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Thought it might be useful to track who has moved the most from list to list. That way we can try to track biases against certain players by certain evaluators. I did not include anyone not on both lists. These are the biggest movers from the MLB.com Top 100 ---> BP Top 101.

I will using a moving average going forward. These are in order by the number of spots moved:

Top Trending Up:
Chris Owings #78 to #28
Stephen Piscotty #98 to #66
Lucas Giolitio #44 to #13
Matt Wisler #78 to #47
Julio Urias #64 to #35
Marcus Stroman #55 to #27
Kolten Wong #58 to #33
Yordano Ventura #35 to #12
D.J. Peterson #88 to #65
Matt Barnes #86 to #64
Kevin Gausman #31 to #10
Rougned Odor #59 to #39
Lucas Sims #60 to #40

Top Trending Down:
Austin Meadows #45 to #89
Jesse Biddle #53 to #94
Henry Owens #30 to #69
CJ Edwards #42 to #81
Gary Sanchez #47 to #85
Jake Odorizzi #56 to #92
David Dahl #71 to #100
Travis d'Arnaud #22 to #48
Maikel Franco #26 to #52
Colin Moran #51 to #74
Nick Castellanos #15 to #37
Zach Lee #63 to #84

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Old 01-27-2014, 01:04 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Cool list!

A question: most move up year over year (if they were on it the year before), but some move down, and if they've moved down (not up) it seems to be in pretty dramatic fashion.

Soler, Singleton, Barnes.

Barnes is possibly the biggest drop (30's last year, 60's this year); wonder what the big cause of that is. I don't subscribe so I can't read the actual report on his, that's why I ask.
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Old 01-27-2014, 01:16 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Joc Pederson and Jackie Bradley Jr need to be reversed. Castellanos and Ventura also. And Gausman and Polanco...those are the ones that jump out.. I might move Garin up a little but its mostly pitchers ahead of him anyway.
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Old 01-27-2014, 01:45 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Owings shouldnt be 28 around 70 imo
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No Trevor Bauer? I still think he figures things out this year and eventually becomes a #2 pitcher, but I can definitely see why he deserves to be off the list.
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Old 01-27-2014, 01:54 PM   #49 (permalink)
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My gf talked to Owings brother today (she works with him) and we are trying to work out getting some game used stuff. Even some IP autos, because those would only be my second. The first my gf got for me too, she works with Madison Younginer's father also. I am not sure he ever panned out though. I am starting to really get into the IP stuff. I am pretty excited and more than willing to pay for the items. Hope it all works out!

Anyone have thoughts on why B. Ham is so low?
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Old 01-27-2014, 01:56 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Wait someone really goes by Sickels as gospel? I like Sickels but he doesnt see most of the guys he scouts in person
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