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Old 01-28-2014, 01:18 PM   #26 (permalink)
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There are more than 200 if you count the insert autos (Buxton, etc.).

I know it's tempting to think there could be a false advertisement case here, but nothing can be proven.




Exactly my point. For those who collect football, it says "Find rookie ticket autographs featuring the top rookies of 2013" on the blaster box of contenders. Well those who collect this know that you can't pull autos of the top tier guys. For EEE and contenders, these are blanket statements for the entire production run. That simple.
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Isn't it about time Panini admits to doing this? If it says you can get all the cards on the front of the box shouldn't you actually be able to? I don't open a box of lucky charms and find it devoid of marshmallows. If I wanted a cereal without them I would be cheerios.

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Exactly my point. For those who collect football, it says "Find rookie ticket autographs featuring the top rookies of 2013" on the blaster box of contenders. Well those who collect this know that you can't pull autos of the top tier guys. For EEE and contenders, these are blanket statements for the entire production run. That simple.
As someone who doesnt' collect football, this practice is shocking to me. The false advertisement is ridiculous. If the product offers the top rookies, I expect to have a reasonable expectation to pull the top rookies. If I open my box of Raisin Bran which promises two scoops of raisins, but get 5 sad pathetic looking dried grapes, I'm not going to be happy.
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As someone who doesnt' collect football, this practice is shocking to me. The false advertisement is ridiculous. If the product offers the top rookies, I expect to have a reasonable expectation to pull the top rookies. If I open my box of Raisin Bran which promises two scoops of raisins, but get 5 sad pathetic looking dried grapes, I'm not going to be happy.
The biggest difference is that, while Contenders FB retail doesn't contain any of the "top" rookies, it frequently contains SP and SSP autos, which go for big money. I dropped $540 on Contenders retail last year ... 15 autos, two of which paid for the break. It's a totally different animal than EEE baseball retail.
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Ah! But do you get two scoops of raisins in one of those travel size boxes? Nope! Is that false advertising? To your logic it is.
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Ah! But do you get two scoops of raisins in one of those travel size boxes? Nope! Is that false advertising? To your logic it is.
Okay, you're taking an analogy and twisting it to where it doesn't make sense anymore. However, to play your game, I'd expect at least SOME decent amount of raisins in proportion to the amount of bran flakes I get, a ratio similar to the ratio in the big box. In our situation, there ain't no raisins in these boxes.

Nowhere in the Elite packaging does it indicate that "if you buy this retail box, you stand virtually no chance of getting one of the good players". I don't see how Panini's actions are the least bit defensible.
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If you sold a product, would you state that?
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There were SSP's in contenders?????NO there wasn't, what happened is that people thought there were SSP's early when none of those cards were found in hobby packs and then when retail came out those cards were in there and those early cards went for big money to idiot collectors.

Leaving out the top rookies in these boxes is wrong. Plain and simple. Those who have excuse after excuse just open yourself up to more disappointment.

I'm still waiting for the obligatory "if you don't like it, don't buy it"

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If you sold a product, would you state that?
I wouldn't state it because I wouldn't do it.
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There were SSP's in contenders?????NO there wasn't, what happened is that people thought there were SSP's early when none of those cards were found in hobby packs and then when retail came out those cards were in there and those early cards went for big money to idiot collectors.
Sorry man ... I completely agree with what you're saying about the EEE blasters ... but the quoted is completely untrue. I pulled a Michael Brockers variation from a Contenders blaster last year. They were SSP'd to 25, and as far as I know they were exclusive to retail.
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There were SSP's in contenders?????NO there wasn't, what happened is that people thought there were SSP's early when none of those cards were found in hobby packs and then when retail came out those cards were in there and those early cards went for big money to idiot collectors.

Leaving out the top rookies in these boxes is wrong. Plain and simple. Those who have excuse after excuse just open yourself up to more disappointment.

I'm still waiting for the obligatory "if you don't like it, don't buy it"

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Actually there were SSP in contenders. Cracked ice out of /21 would be considered a SSP in my book and plenty of them are being pulled. It's the same with someone pulling an emerald auto out of EEE. It is still considered an SSP. It's the names that suck in both products.

On a personal note, I have always thought retail was crap. I would never expect to hit an auto of someone big. If I did though, I would consider myself extremely lucky.
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brockers had 25 short prints in retail contenders, cards that still sit unsigned...congrats you proved me wrong...I guess.....

I love the fact that you can pull MORE than what was promised on the box, but why print a lie on the other side of the box? That is false....and why does my 30 dollars I spend on retail count any less than 30 bucks at the card store?
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If the back of the pack says that you can pull 200 different autographs, then you better be able to pull 200 different autographs.
Not true. Last year Panini Elite Extra retail said the same on their boxes but it was proven you couldn't pull a vast majority of the better players in retail.
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Not true. Last year Panini Elite Extra retail said the same on their boxes but it was proven you couldn't pull a vast majority of the better players in retail.
Not that I don't believe you -- I do -- but where was this proven?

And if this is the case, why wasn't a bigger stink made about this? Was Panini confronted? They seem to have a bigger hobby face/presence than Topps does.

And, for what it's worth, this is something I expect from the little guys -- the Leafs, the Paninis, the ... well, that's it. I don't expect this from Topps.
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I love the fact that you can pull MORE than what was promised on the box, but why print a lie on the other side of the box? That is false....and why does my 30 dollars I spend on retail count any less than 30 bucks at the card store?
That's just it ... the blasters are LOADED ... with crap. So Panini knowingly advertises 2 autos, knowingly puts 3 in most of them to make you feel special ... and knows all along that you can't pull Frazier, Meadows, Bryant, Katoh, Gray, Appel, Franco, or any other 'good' name.
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brockers had 25 short prints in retail contenders, cards that still sit unsigned...congrats you proved me wrong...I guess.....

I love the fact that you can pull MORE than what was promised on the box, but why print a lie on the other side of the box? That is false....and why does my 30 dollars I spend on retail count any less than 30 bucks at the card store?
Hobby has always and will always trump retail. Retail is your redheaded step-child of the hobby. I find it truly pathetic when I see someone post that they "beat the odds, 1:2000" by pulling a jersey card that might get you 50 cents. I get it, some of you guys don't have the luxury of having an LCS near you, but you can still order on-line. Sorry, rant over
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Did one blaster today, #200 Amaurys Minier /675, #26 Dace Kime /669, #86 Rainy Lara /99, and game used jersey #18 Justus Sheffield.
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That's just it ... the blasters are LOADED ... with crap. So Panini knowingly advertises 2 autos, knowingly puts 3 in most of them to make you feel special ... and knows all along that you can't pull Frazier, Meadows, Bryant, Katoh, Gray, Appel, Franco, or any other 'good' name.
Who knows, maybe in 5 years those "good" names will be crap and the guys in the blasters will be the stars
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brockers had 25 short prints in retail contenders, cards that still sit unsigned...congrats you proved me wrong...I guess.....

I love the fact that you can pull MORE than what was promised on the box, but why print a lie on the other side of the box? That is false....and why does my 30 dollars I spend on retail count any less than 30 bucks at the card store?
By the way dude ... I'm on your corner on this, so I'm not sure why you continue to dish out the passive aggression. It's just that in any logical discourse, you lose credibility when you spew false claims and then just try to write it off, even if those claims don't directly pertain to the subject at hand. I don't want you to lose credibility in this. It is, IMO, worth the investigation.
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Who knows, maybe in 5 years those "good" names will be crap and the guys in the blasters will be the stars
I should rephrase ... the guys whose autos cost Panini the least amount of money.
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Not that I don't believe you -- I do -- but where was this proven?

And if this is the case, why wasn't a bigger stink made about this? Was Panini confronted? They seem to have a bigger hobby face/presence than Topps does.

And, for what it's worth, this is something I expect from the little guys -- the Leafs, the Paninis, the ... well, that's it. I don't expect this from Topps.
I guess I can't say it was "proven". Panini never came out and confirmed it but there was some other thread (I believe on BO...maybe it was Jaypers, maybe it wasn't) that posted all the results from everyone's breaks from 2012 and it pretty much confirmed there were a group of players that were mostly only pulled in retail and vice versa for hobby.

But I guess "proven" was a poor choice of words.
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I should rephrase ... the guys whose autos cost Panini the least amount of money.
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I have yet to see anyone pull the big guns, "Bryant, Frazier, Meadows, Katoh, Appel, Gray, D. Smith" from retail yet. I think by now we would have seen at least one of these names pulled.
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I would be willing to bet Panini placed a very limited number of the "top prospect" autos in retail. Just enough to cover their butts...
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