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dasiegel 12-12-2012 10:54 AM

Why buy retail prizm
 
I see that a lot of people are excited about the retail prizms wiht some even checking walmart often to see if its there yet,

I've never had a good experience with retail and unless i just feel like grabbing a few packs for the goof, I think everyone's money is better spent on the hobby edition, especially of this stuff, no?

Orangejello727 12-12-2012 11:16 AM

how else are you going to get the Green prizms?

cjsayde 12-12-2012 11:16 AM

Because the green parallels are retail only.

dasiegel 12-12-2012 11:43 AM

yea i mean they look nice but there value is not so strong maybe $20 bucks and up for the big stars and rookies and 5-10 for anyone else

blastman 12-12-2012 12:13 PM

maybe some people actually like to collect basketball cards and don't flip everything

hanes1111 12-12-2012 12:18 PM

[QUOTE=blastman;3803173]maybe some people actually like to collect basketball cards and don't flip everything[/QUOTE]

^^^^^^^^this

MikeMamba 12-12-2012 12:24 PM

[QUOTE=blastman;3803173]maybe some people actually like to collect basketball cards and don't flip everything[/QUOTE]

exactlyyyyyyyy!

dasiegel 12-12-2012 12:35 PM

[QUOTE=MikeMamba;3803250]exactlyyyyyyyy![/QUOTE]

That's such a dumb comment all 3 of you. Its amazing how my point was, you just plain and simple get better hits in hobby with the chance of golds rather than a few greens and I get someone implying something negative about me. Is it bad to flip things anyway? I was unaware of this... guess you hate people in real estate.

1) I have a PC, I do collect cards and don't flip everything and in fact just busted a box of 08-09 topps chrome retail just because I enjoy the product and of course on this forum, i got attacked by losers on here for being stupid and spending so much on it. I did it for the love of the hobby.

2) If I'm buying a $55 or w/e it costs for a box of prizm retail even as a collector, I want to know that I don't have to hit a Davis or Lillard green to get some value back. If you get a solid player, like a CP3 green, which you probably won't in a box of retail, and add up all the rookies, you probably aren't getting near the value you paid... that to me just isn't fun to almost guarantee yourself no value or chase hits.

I don't think I'm crazy, people play the lottery or go to casinos for the chance of that cool special pull or hit. Unless your a set collector which my question really doesn't apply to, I'm just wondering why you'd go with retail over hobby, shouldn't have to have someone who doesn't know me tell me that all I do is flip things. What's the point of that?

hanes1111 12-12-2012 12:41 PM

wow someone is a little sensitive, point that was made was simply there is hits in retail that are not in hobby. Remember its just cardboard pictures

[QUOTE=dasiegel;3803323]That's such a dumb comment all 3 of you. Its amazing how my point was, you just plain and simple get better hits in hobby with the chance of golds rather than a few greens and I get someone implying something negative about me. Is it bad to flip things anyway? I was unaware of this... guess you hate people in real estate.

1) I have a PC, I do collect cards and don't flip everything and in fact just busted a box of 08-09 topps chrome retail just because I enjoy the product and of course on this forum, i got attacked by losers on here for being stupid and spending so much on it. I did it for the love of the hobby.

2) If I'm buying a $55 or w/e it costs for a box of prizm retail even as a collector, I want to know that I don't have to hit a Davis or Lillard green to get some value back. If you get a solid player, like a CP3 green, which you probably won't in a box of retail, and add up all the rookies, you probably aren't getting near the value you paid... that to me just isn't fun to almost guarantee yourself no value or chase hits.

I don't think I'm crazy, people play the lottery or go to casinos for the chance of that cool special pull or hit. Unless your a set collector which my question really doesn't apply to, I'm just wondering why you'd go with retail over hobby, shouldn't have to have someone who doesn't know me tell me that all I do is flip things. What's the point of that?[/QUOTE]

Yaga 12-12-2012 12:42 PM

I think their comments meant that they buy retail to add the green ones to their collections?

Me, if we had retail up here in Canada (the wal marts only sell hockey, no bball at all), I would totally go buy some! I'd love to add some of those green ones to my collection, because I think they look beautiful. I mean, I wouldn't go buy 5 cases of the stuff, but I'd definitely stop by and grab 10 packs or even a box.

And me personally, I think the greens look better than the golds.

dasiegel 12-12-2012 12:44 PM

i am sensitive, i feel like once every 3-4 posts even if im not making the post i read some comment that doesn't fit and is usually an attack or mock. if i make a thread question about retail, answers about it being the only way to find the green are a solid response, it answers my thread inquiry. if i respond "yea, but the value is kinda weak on these retail products," i don't need to hear some smartass comment about, some people actually collect and don't flip everything. its just irritating when i'm trying to have a normal dialogue with collectors who have the answer to my question.

indyguy 12-12-2012 12:44 PM

How many cards are in a retail box of Prizm compared to a hobby box? What is the price comparison? Are you saving money by going retail vs hobby if you are truly just wanting to collect? Are you building the set or just want a few cards of a newer product?

These are not sarcastic questions.

dasiegel 12-12-2012 12:45 PM

[QUOTE=Yaga;3803370]I think their comments meant that they buy retail to add the green ones to their collections?

Me, if we had retail up here in Canada (the wal marts only sell hockey, no bball at all), I would totally go buy some! I'd love to add some of those green ones to my collection, because I think they look beautiful. I mean, I wouldn't go buy 5 cases of the stuff, but I'd definitely stop by and grab 10 packs or even a box.

And me personally, I think the greens look better than the golds.[/QUOTE]

yea i have to say, the greens look nice, wish they were in hobby

MikeMamba 12-12-2012 12:58 PM

[QUOTE=dasiegel;3803323]That's such a dumb comment all 3 of you. Its amazing how my point was, you just plain and simple get better hits in hobby with the chance of golds rather than a few greens and I get someone implying something negative about me. Is it bad to flip things anyway? I was unaware of this... guess you hate people in real estate.

1) I have a PC, I do collect cards and don't flip everything and in fact just busted a box of 08-09 topps chrome retail just because I enjoy the product and of course on this forum, i got attacked by losers on here for being stupid and spending so much on it. I did it for the love of the hobby.

2) If I'm buying a $55 or w/e it costs for a box of prizm retail even as a collector, I want to know that I don't have to hit a Davis or Lillard green to get some value back. If you get a solid player, like a CP3 green, which you probably won't in a box of retail, and add up all the rookies, you probably aren't getting near the value you paid... that to me just isn't fun to almost guarantee yourself no value or chase hits.

I don't think I'm crazy, people play the lottery or go to casinos for the chance of that cool special pull or hit. Unless your a set collector which my question really doesn't apply to, I'm just wondering why you'd go with retail over hobby, shouldn't have to have someone who doesn't know me tell me that all I do is flip things. What's the point of that?[/QUOTE]

I would say you kinda just answered your own question here....

phil 12-12-2012 12:59 PM

you're underestimating the potential value of name greens

and in any case i don't see much difference between a retail box with common greens and a hobby box with 2 scrub autos and no gold. you can get burned with either.

Qwasian 12-12-2012 01:03 PM

you really have to hit popular players in hobby to get your money back just the same way you do in retail. retails a little cheaper than hobby, greens are retail only, there are several reason to buy retail, one also being quick availability/excitement of opening product.

Rpetrovi 12-12-2012 01:34 PM

Fyi i bought 2 boxes of retail and am awaiting delivery - cant wait to add some greens to my collection, very excited and love the look of them ( dont care about the value)

Setzy 12-12-2012 01:38 PM

I'd say one of the biggest contributing factors into buying retail product is that people don't always like to buy an entire box of products from online, and may not have an LCS. Almost everywhere has a Target/Walmart/etc. Buying a few packs at the store is like the pack of gum or the 20 oz Pepsi at the checkout line...sure, I'll take a couple of those. Impulse buying. It's true not everybody cares how much ROI you get on a product, but on the flip side, sometimes it's all a collector really cares about. One thing holds pretty true though, and that is that opening packs of cards is kind of like the lottery: most of the time you come out behind, and sometimes you win.

Prizm is one of the nicer retail-available products to hit the market for basketball, so I imagine a lot of people who don't venture into hobby boxes or their LCS often are probably enjoying the opportunity to pick up some nice looking basketball!

Hallco 12-12-2012 01:39 PM

I don't have a decent hobby store near me so unless I am buying full boxes or cases, retail is my only option. This is my first year back buying unopened stuff when it is released since the late 90s. I am trying to get a little bit of everything that Panini releases 2012-13(regardless of whether I like the design of the card or not!) I bought a hobby box of Totally Certified which I really like, but other than that, only a handful of packs from what has been released so far: Hoops, Prestige and Threads. I did go to Walmart today and before going in had committed to buying a box of Prizm IF there was a full 24 packs....and there was! :) I rarely sell or trade anything and whatever I get in the packs is cool. Don't get me wrong,it's nice to hit a valuable card every now and then, but I would rather get base, rookie and cool action shots of players I like rather that some /10 of someone I could care less about! :D

dasiegel 12-12-2012 02:31 PM

thanx for the serious responses... i guess to answer what one person said above, the price point is much less for retail so for base cards anyway and to some extent inserts, i think you'd be better off with retail. 24 packs 4 cards per pack i think and for half the price. for everything else, i'd have to think hobby. that being said, people seem to really like the greens and you can only get those in retail.

i guess another factor seems to be that there are areas where there are no lcs' and if you don't want to order online it makes sense to get a quick pack or box at walmart, makes sense.

overall though i haven't busted much retail wax in my day but i recommend the hobby, i busted a case (which i do very rarely) i kept about 10-15 for the pc and sold/selling the rest but i got 3 golds which are really nice cards and 1 auto refractor /25. plenty of key rookies and some cool refractors including a kobe. fun stuff but yes of course in hobby u get some weak rookies and u will also not get ur value back.

xavieronly1 12-12-2012 02:34 PM

I usually buy retail to see if the product "feels" good on my hand. I recently brought a pack of baseball chrome retail, and I don't like how topps got lazy on making "line" around the jersey and player picture.

ilyellow 12-12-2012 03:17 PM

[QUOTE=dasiegel;3803323]That's such a dumb comment all 3 of you. Its amazing how my point was, you just plain and simple get better hits in hobby with the chance of golds rather than a few greens and I get someone implying something negative about me. Is it bad to flip things anyway? I was unaware of this... [B]guess you hate people in real estate[/B].

1) I have a PC, I do collect cards and don't flip everything and in fact just busted a box of 08-09 topps chrome retail just because I enjoy the product and of course on this forum, i got attacked by losers on here for being stupid and spending so much on it. I did it for the love of the hobby.

2) If I'm buying a $55 or w/e it costs for a box of prizm retail even as a collector, I want to know that I don't have to hit a Davis or Lillard green to get some value back. If you get a solid player, like a CP3 green, which you probably won't in a box of retail, and add up all the rookies, you probably aren't getting near the value you paid... that to me just isn't fun to almost guarantee yourself no value or chase hits.

I don't think I'm crazy, people play the lottery or go to casinos for the chance of that cool special pull or hit. Unless your a set collector which my question really doesn't apply to, I'm just wondering why you'd go with retail over hobby, shouldn't have to have someone who doesn't know me tell me that all I do is flip things. What's the point of that?[/QUOTE]

Lol, most people are in real estate to pay the bills. I don't know many people that do it as a hobby

dasiegel 12-12-2012 03:24 PM

Yea well, believe me, almost every big seller on ebay (I have 919 feedback, I'm talking about the people 10,000 plus) are in it for the money. There's a lot to be made, its like a tiny stock market and there are a ton of people who don't collect at all and only buy to resell or flip boxes/cases. I collect a bit, buy boxes for fun and flip singles for fun and bc it helps me pay for all the personal collection with a small profit left over.

mikcute 12-12-2012 04:41 PM

I do have to say that IMO the green parallels should be way lower than the gold ones. From all the breaks that I have seen, the greens are much easier to pull.

dasiegel 12-12-2012 05:25 PM

they do sell for WAYYYYYY less as of now


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