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Old 01-17-2012, 02:49 PM   #401 (permalink)
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get over it the guy sold a card made a lot of money....move on nothing else to see here. people spend over a million on old comic books how is this a shock that a jordan card as nice as that graded gem mint and serial numbered would go this high? supply and demand, its basic economics.
it's a shock because there is more supply with no demand......... which is against the laws of basic economics.......
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get over it the guy sold a card made a lot of money....move on nothing else to see here. people spend over a million on old comic books how is this a shock that a jordan card as nice as that graded gem mint and serial numbered would go this high? supply and demand, its basic economics.


Oh if only it were that simple ... it's not that clean cut. Not only the fact that a mountain of proof in raw facts exist proving price gauging & manipulation, along with shilling and an internal scam both here and overseas amongst a group of high end sellers, but also appears to be attracting new lowlifes.

Worst part is, with the way eBay is run, there is no way for them to really prove anything since anyone can just make an account and bid up an item for their own personal gain.

In the end, we are just trying to bring justice to the hobby and reveal the scum to the 'true' collectors here on BO.

Some other sites glorify these ringleaders, but we here at BO are calling their numbers. They don't like it, so our board just gets the title of the "Angry Negative Haters".

It's all good though, the truth is slowly being revealed!
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Worst part is, with the way eBay is run, there is no way for them to really prove anything since anyone can just make an account and bid up an item for their own personal gain.
ebay should remove all feedback and completed listing from all canceled transaction and transaction that have not made through paypal.. PERIOD!

this is the only way the fake sales won't be a reference of past sales again.. except if the scammers willingly to eat the ebay/paypal fees that i don't think they will.
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lol @ rare's occupation on hobbykings is "HU$TLER"...........muahahahhaahhahahaa that's priceless.
It can't be... stop! Really? Wow... smh lol
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Theres a guy on HK who posted about buying 2 grant hill autographics for $10k or so. He was sent 2 photocopies of the card in the mail. Its funny to see all the HKers come to his aide and give him sympathy. Shouldnt they stick by their guns and claim "Buyer beware" that if you are stuid to get duped, then you had it coming? I mean why the double standard?? Didnt we just see people talk about how they need to do their research and we should stop whining?

So as long as one of the "Get along gang" people dont get screwed the rest of the hobby world doesnt matter. What a great attitude.
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I wonder why nobody had bought the 97-98 test atomic gold refractor. Its supposedly more rare /50 produce vs this Jordan Rare23 sold and is only listed for 2,200.
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I wonder why nobody had bought the 97-98 test atomic gold refractor. Its supposedly more rare /50 produce vs this Jordan Rare23 sold and is only listed for 2,200.
I'm not 100% certain, but I could swear those are just uncut sheets that people get backdoored then they cut up and sell, lying that they are 'test' versions.
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I'm not 100% certain, but I could swear those are just uncut sheets that people get backdoored then they cut up and sell, lying that they are 'test' versions.
Yeah your probably right, because there are two listed and neither is graded.
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Yeah your probably right, because there are two listed and neither is graded.
Don't be fooled though, Beckett (BGS) is corrupt as well!

They will grade just about anything now. They've graded Fleer Bankruptcy cards, cut sheet cards, etc. And some they don't even correctly label, so they go into the population counts incorrectly.


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WOW!

I step away for a few hours and this happens. Blowout is just too crazy. Don't you guys have jobs or better things to do?

LOOK! I really don't give a damn if you think it's a fake sale or not because it was REAL and everything I've said had been 100% complete truth. I've even challenged anyone to speak to kobes_for_sale of the original purchase, Nat Turner with the conversations we had, and ANYONE else that would be a part of anything I said. I'm just upset that I get called a fraud/scammer, and how the sale HAS to be fake because the other card isn't selling. WTF?

I've shown you guys what you've asked for. Screen shots of the paypal payments both sent and received. You want pictures of the card being mailed out with DC, and I will give you all that. And now you're saying I'm shady because I won't tell you who contacted me to bid on a few of his Jordan cards? Now I'm turning a blind eye, comparing it to someone getting brutally beat up? Like seriously folks. You guys MUST have something better to do. I have the money and the card is being mailed out as soon as it clears. What's soooo f*ckin hard to believe? Because ONE super collector wanted my card so bad, that he just hit BIN? And because no one is immediately buying the other one listed?

Wow. And to that fool who spoke about my girl... don't bring personal sh*t into this. You could never get a girl like that in a million years.
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Theres a guy on HK who posted about buying 2 grant hill autographics for $10k or so. He was sent 2 photocopies of the card in the mail. Its funny to see all the HKers come to his aide and give him sympathy. Shouldnt they stick by their guns and claim "Buyer beware" that if you are stuid to get duped, then you had it coming? I mean why the double standard?? Didnt we just see people talk about how they need to do their research and we should stop whining?

So as long as one of the "Get along gang" people dont get screwed the rest of the hobby world doesnt matter. What a great attitude.

Who's the original owners and who's got the socialist agenda, re HK? Apologies if I missed your response within here
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WOW!

I step away for a few hours and this happens. Blowout is just too crazy. Don't you guys have jobs or better things to do?

LOOK! I really don't give a damn if you think it's a fake sale or not because it was REAL and everything I've said had been 100% complete truth. I've even challenged anyone to speak to kobes_for_sale of the original purchase, Nat Turner with the conversations we had, and ANYONE else that would be a part of anything I said. I'm just upset that I get called a fraud/scammer, and how the sale HAS to be fake because the other card isn't selling. WTF?

I've shown you guys what you've asked for. Screen shots of the paypal payments both sent and received. You want pictures of the card being mailed out with DC, and I will give you all that. And now you're saying I'm shady because I won't tell you who contacted me to bid on a few of his Jordan cards? Now I'm turning a blind eye, comparing it to someone getting brutally beat up? Like seriously folks. You guys MUST have something better to do. I have the money and the card is being mailed out as soon as it clears. What's soooo f*ckin hard to believe? Because ONE super collector wanted my card so bad, that he just hit BIN? And because no one is immediately buying the other one listed?

Wow. And to that fool who spoke about my girl... don't bring personal sh*t into this. You could never get a girl like that in a million years.
Dude, what's done is done. Just move on... everyone else can debate and give their opinions, that's what we all like doing. Just step away...
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WOW!

I step away for a few hours and this happens. Blowout is just too crazy. Don't you guys have jobs or better things to do?

LOOK! I really don't give a damn if you think it's a fake sale or not because it was REAL and everything I've said had been 100% complete truth. I've even challenged anyone to speak to kobes_for_sale of the original purchase, Nat Turner with the conversations we had, and ANYONE else that would be a part of anything I said. I'm just upset that I get called a fraud/scammer, and how the sale HAS to be fake because the other card isn't selling. WTF?

I've shown you guys what you've asked for. Screen shots of the paypal payments both sent and received. You want pictures of the card being mailed out with DC, and I will give you all that. And now you're saying I'm shady because I won't tell you who contacted me to bid on a few of his Jordan cards? Now I'm turning a blind eye, comparing it to someone getting brutally beat up? Like seriously folks. You guys MUST have something better to do. I have the money and the card is being mailed out as soon as it clears. What's soooo f*ckin hard to believe? Because ONE super collector wanted my card so bad, that he just hit BIN? And because no one is immediately buying the other one listed?

Wow. And to that fool who spoke about my girl... don't bring personal sh*t into this. You could never get a girl like that in a million years.
Dude, just let it go already. This is a losing battle you can't win. Just ignore it, it will be swept under the carpet in another few days and everyone will move on to the next outrageous controversial thread for entertainment. You are just fanning your own flames by coming in here and getting into a pissing match with anyone who comments about you. Believe me some people on a forum aren't going to ruin your reputation as a high end Jordan seller/collector whether you are legit or not. However you coming in here and screaming to the world how clean you are everytime someone says something in this thread is only making you look more suspicious, and not helping your case. Ignore it and let the thread die out. Half these people aren't even talking about you and your card anymore anyway. Everyone seems to be moving on to what douchers the HK people are. So on top of this thread you being a member there and coming in here to cry every 5 minutes isn't going to help your case for not being lumped in with those guys either.

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Fine, do what you guys do best and have your fun. I'll post my last piece of proof once it is mailed out and that will be the end of that. If you still don't believe by then, I'll know for sure there's nothing in the world that could make you believe the truth. But I've done all I can.
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Congrats on the sale. Honestly - people are going to talk sh*t no matter what. You could have all the proof in the world, but people are going to spin it in away that will villify you. At times like this, you just have to smile and walk away. You don't have to prove a damn thing to anyone.

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^ Thanks and you're right. I've gotten a lot of messages and phone calls from members on this forum and other ones, all telling me the same that some of these guys are known to be like this. That I should just brush it off and move on. "It's what they do." I guess I'm still a newb when it comes to card forums because I had simple intentions coming in here to post up a recent big sale I just had. Little did I know.
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Congrats on the sale. Honestly - people are going to talk sh*t no matter what. You could have all the proof in the world, but people are going to spin it in away that will villify you. At times like this, you just have to smile and walk away. You don't have to prove a damn thing to anyone.

You don't owe anyone here a damn thing!
+1... most of the haters are just jealous cause the will never come close to a sale like that.

Congrats on it... have fun with the $$$.
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Fine, do what you guys do best and have your fun. I'll post my last piece of proof once it is mailed out and that will be the end of that. If you still don't believe by then, I'll know for sure there's nothing in the world that could make you believe the truth. But I've done all I can.
bro, the question is, "WHY" did you even do all you can? if your secure with the sale, don't play into it, don't listen, don't entertain it, simple. whats the point of you trying to prove yourself in the first place? people are just using you trying to prove yourself as a source of entertainment and a joke. nobody honestly cares about you, the card, or the sale. i'm not personally even interested in jordan inserts, I collect rookies of new players, for football & basketball, I've never wanted to collect jordan even when he was in his prime. I have zero horse in that race and zero interest, you don't have to prove yourself to me or anyone else here or anywhere else. it was entertained because YOU ENTERTAINED IT. no need to feel bad or be mad about it at all, what you do doesn't effect any of us. your story was played along with because you posted the story. you could have easily never responded, deleted the thread, moved on. you chose to make the situation what it was debate wise. and you are still after all that trying to prove yourself, so by all means, prove yourself. we will entertain that portion too if that's what you'd like to do. keep it rollin.

also I told you myself that I'm like this and like to debate, said it several times all thru the thread.... it's well known.has nothing to do with money, jordan sales, cards any of that.
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bro, the question is, "WHY" did you even do all you can? if your secure with the sale, don't play into it, don't listen, don't entertain it, simple. whats the point of you trying to prove yourself in the first place? people are just using you trying to prove yourself as a source of entertainment and a joke. nobody honestly cares about you, the card, or the sale. i'm not personally even interested in jordan inserts, I collect rookies of new players, for football & basketball, I've never wanted to collect jordan even when he was in his prime. I have zero horse in that race and zero interest, you don't have to prove yourself to me or anyone else here or anywhere else. it was entertained because YOU ENTERTAINED IT. no need to feel bad or be mad about it at all, what you do doesn't effect any of us. your story was played along with because you posted the story. you could have easily never responded, deleted the thread, moved on. you chose to make the situation what it was debate wise. and you are still after all that trying to prove yourself, so by all means, prove yourself. we will entertain that portion too if that's what you'd like to do. keep it rollin.

also I told you myself that I'm like this and like to debate, said it several times all thru the thread.... it's well known.has nothing to do with money, jordan sales, cards any of that.
I don't think I'm being unreasonable by chiming in on my OWN thread, especially when people are too quick to judge and say it's fake and calling me fraud. I know now in the future, not to even share anything about Jordan cards and their sales here at BlowOut because of the few members' attitude about it. Lesson well learned.

And there's nothing to be secure or unsecure about the sale. I already have the money and the card was sold. I've only been debating back and forth because of people accusing me of what I am not. It's a totally different motive.

If I didn't respond after the first post and the same people continued to call me and my sale fraud and ALL Jordan cards... I would think it looks worse on me. But I'm good now, since I've added more than sufficient evidence of it all being real.

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So i'm your problem huh? Sorry for not being dumb to the whole thing...

First off 18K+ for this card should answer anybodys question that it's fake, period. If somebody really believes this card sells this much than more power to them. But you're not fooling me.

Bernie Madoff also would talk to people and answer ANY questions they had.........

The greatest trick the Jordan scam srtists ever pulled was convincing the world the scam didn't exist ~ SportsItUpCards

I've gotten a lot of messages about you because of all this. It's quite interesting really and because you're so easy to call someone out and call them frauds without any evidence or proof... I thought it's only fair the shine some light about you and your validity in any of your posts. I was sent this information by someone I will not mention. Your history is VERY interesting to say the least.


"This is to inform collectors about SportsItUpCards, so you can make your own decisions about him. All I am doing is providing the members here with some information that I came up with by doing a bit of research. So, if there are some discrepancies below, I apologize and please correct me.

On hobbykings.com he has had 3 user ID's which all have been banned:
GeorgeMikan - banned
SportsItUpCards - banned
Elgin Baylor - banned

One of the reasons why he was banned is because he got caught shilling/bidding on one of his own eBay auctions (Dave Debusschere autograph jersey card) while using the name hobbykings, then using a different shilling account of jvitale1998 to bid on his own auction. Once he got caught he then changed his eBay ID from hobbykings to sportsitupcards. He also used the site's logo and had multiple accounts. Here is the thread on the Debusschere shilling - scroll down to the 7th post and further on down:

http://hobbykings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63913

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HobbyKings - banned
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According to Huperoyalty, he is a also a member at beckett: sportsitupcards, ozcardtrader: basketball, and fredomcardboard: gio. The following link provides a list of his known user ID's, scroll down to #7:
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Again, I'm merely providing you with information I gathered from different forums with the help of a few members. With this information you can make your own assumptions about him and whether or not to take his posts and comments with a grain of salt."



If you're honest and rational, why on earth would you be banned so many times on so many places? And history of shilling? I also heard you have that SORE mentality with all Jordan cards because you used to have some in the past that only sold for a few hundred bucks, and that's why you think they should stay at the same selling price even now. Just because they've exponentially rose in the past few years, you think it's invalid? I don't know man... that sounds like jealousy and being butt-hurt that you missed out on the value rise to make good profit. I mean c'mon. Look at your sig. You're saying ALLLLLLLL Jordan card business is shady and being shilled. That has GOT to be one of the most ignorant statements I've heard.

Look Giovanni... you're entitled to your own opinions about anything. But don't be too haste to call ALL Jordan buyers and sellers fakes and fraud. That's just unreasonable.

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You're full of #@#@#@#@ and desperate!

I've never shilled, period. A Debusschere jersey card??? I sold that card yes, but didn't shill, but ask me if I give a @&$^ what your fraud self says? No I don't.

I was part of HK as you already know and I told you in a previous post about why I was banned, because of frauds like you!

Yes, it's no secret that I had a ebay user id as "HobbyKings". Did I like HK before all the scum bags came along with their scams? Yes I did. Did I chose to pick that as my ebay name? Yes. I was contacted by that fraud Deekin, who told asked me to change my ebay user name, if I wanted to and I didn't have you and it was up to me....... I said I like the name and would like to keep it. He never took that name on ebay before so ne need for him to cry about it... So since then he didn't have it good with me and then later banned me, along with my speaking out against Jordan inserts....

I later changed my name because I was no longer on HK and didn't care for it or liked the people there, so why keep that stupid name? At that point it was stupid.

I later checked to see if that name was token and wouldn't you guess it, that fat scamming, abuse of power, moron Deekin took the ebay name and believe he still has it.

When I was banned from HK and the PSA forums, it was because of scum like YOU! No other reason. I am not a thief, fraud.................... I like to speak out against things I see wrong. Only difference here on BO is, it's not corrupt so there for I haven't been banned. Otherwise I would have been banned here a long time ago, and only for expressing my opinions on all this fraud going around.

Wow you are desparate!!! It is more clear to me now. I already knew you were full of #@#@#@#@, but you just put the cherry on the top! To take the time out......... You're the fraud here, NOT me, period.

What else???
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Wow I didn't even read your whole post because you're full of #@#@#@#@... but I had Jordans that I sold for cheap...? LOL you're a dick!!! I never had ANY high end Jordans, nor mid range or anthing, maybe some base. I never sold any period. You're full of #@#@#@#@!! Period end of story. There are so much in there I don't even wish to reply.......

Yes, i've been banned but that's it. Reason are because of pieces of @I&@#U @YU&$ like you! Not because i'm a fraud like you. Go on HK and you will see(unless they changed it NOW) why I was banned under the banned section, it was for "duplicate accounts" and not because of ANY horse #@#@#@#@ you're talking about, and I only wishes to come back because 1) I had friends there 2) I liked exposing frauds like you. For them to help you make #@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@ stories like this only shows how desperate they are, for whatever reason. Maybe i'm a big pain in the ass to them, and now how to expose them?

They're full of #@#@#@#@ and so are you. The end.
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^ haha ok whatever man. I see you're starting to get heated because... oh I don't know... you're being called out? And with some actual evidence? Doesn't feel good does it?

You blatantly called me fraud, scammer and a liar and said you "smelled me" when I first came into this forum without even KNOWING anything about my history and business ethics. And you think me getting upset is unreasonable?

I am not at all desperate. It's actually the opposite. I've posted enough evidence to prove it's all real. YOU'RE desperate to still be calling it a fake sale and standing by it... probably to save face.

I just simply copy and pasted what other members have wrote to me. I don't go out and try to dig up dirt to ruin your reputation, whether it may be true or not.

More people are coming out and messaging me with things they've always wanted to share about your "shady" business.

http://www.hobbykings.com/forum/view...pcards&start=0

But if ANYONE is full of sh*t... it looks like its you buddy. Just goes to show you that it can backfire on you if you keep calling people out without knowing anything in the first place. Hopefully it's a lesson learned, but I doubt it. You're still going to think and believe ALL Jordan buyers/sellers are frauds.

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bro, the question is, "WHY" did you even do all you can? if your secure with the sale, don't play into it, don't listen, don't entertain it, simple. whats the point of you trying to prove yourself in the first place? people are just using you trying to prove yourself as a source of entertainment and a joke. nobody honestly cares about you, the card, or the sale. i'm not personally even interested in jordan inserts, I collect rookies of new players, for football & basketball, I've never wanted to collect jordan even when he was in his prime. I have zero horse in that race and zero interest, you don't have to prove yourself to me or anyone else here or anywhere else. it was entertained because YOU ENTERTAINED IT. no need to feel bad or be mad about it at all, what you do doesn't effect any of us. your story was played along with because you posted the story. you could have easily never responded, deleted the thread, moved on. you chose to make the situation what it was debate wise. and you are still after all that trying to prove yourself, so by all means, prove yourself. we will entertain that portion too if that's what you'd like to do. keep it rollin.

also I told you myself that I'm like this and like to debate, said it several times all thru the thread.... it's well known.has nothing to do with money, jordan sales, cards any of that.
If people are calling you a liar and scammer, your 1st instinct is to defend yourself. If you just never respond, people will assume you are a liar. If people attacked me like that, I would defend myself as well.
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