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suki24 05-05-2012 10:15 PM

James Harden is a legit franchise player
 
He's efficient, clutch, and an all around player that can control the pace and take over games. OKC is so lucky to have him.

EMD34 05-05-2012 10:20 PM

I have been saying for a while that he is just a good as Durant. He is just so great at creating his own shot as well as creating for others.

Jin 05-05-2012 10:21 PM

i wouldnt go as far as to say franchise player.

he's an excellent role player and a very god scorer, but could he lead a team to the playoffs? idts

Bizzydesigner 05-05-2012 10:27 PM

Isn't he a free agent (possibly restricted) at the end of the year? Wonder if he'll end up on another team where he can start.

drob50 05-05-2012 10:30 PM

[QUOTE=Bizzydesigner;2633588]Isn't he a free agent (possibly restricted) at the end of the year? Wonder if he'll end up on another team where he can start.[/QUOTE]

Spot on! He will be gone next year imo! He should be pulling in more $$ than what OKC can offer him! Especially if they keep Ibaka, which should be a higher priority than Harden!

EMD34 05-05-2012 10:33 PM

[QUOTE=drob50;2633600]Spot on! He will be gone next year imo! He should be pulling in more $$ than what OKC can offer him! Especially if they keep Ibaka, which should be a higher priority than Harden![/QUOTE]

I dont think ibaka is a higher priority than Harden, I have watched [B][U]many[/U][/B] games this year that they would not have won without him. Harden is a great player.

dlin23 05-05-2012 10:34 PM

Love James Harden I wish OKC could keep both Ibaka and Harden :( but won't happen. A card from collection of mr. Harden!
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n1nesports 05-05-2012 10:40 PM

[QUOTE=Jin;2633537]i wouldnt go as far as to say franchise player.

he's an excellent role player and a very god scorer, but could he lead a team to the playoffs? idts[/QUOTE]

I'm sure if he was a team's main scoring option he could easily be a franchise player. If he had a good supporting cast he probably could lead them to the playoffs like any good player.

Jared_davey 05-05-2012 11:54 PM

thats my boy !

put it this way.
put him on the wizards/nets/warriors they are a ligitimate playoff chance of the 6-8 seeds.

hopefully he will take a slight pay cut to stay with the thunder to win several champion ships in the next 5-6 years.

the thunder are that good.

screamingdc 05-05-2012 11:54 PM

[QUOTE=n1nesports;2633655]I'm sure if he was a team's main scoring option he could easily be a franchise player. If he had a good supporting cast he probably could lead them to the playoffs like any good player.[/QUOTE]

how many franchise players do you think there are in the NBA then? i don't think Harden is a franchise player mysef and i think there are maybe 10 or so real franchise players in the league to begin with. and any team with a good supporting cast can make the playoffs with or without a franchise player (Indiana, Atlanta, Utah, Memphis). guys who i label as franchise players include Kobe, Dwight Howard, Lebron, Rose, Duncan, and CP3 for example.

paul06901 05-05-2012 11:56 PM

As a Mavs fan, I wanted to hate Harden, but I can't. He seems like a great guy, doesn't ever complain or whine, plays hard and is an all around team player. He's clutch and reliable.

One thing that killed me though, 99% of the time he drove to the hoop he took about 4-5 steps and was NEVER called for a travel. He sometimes takes those strides which is not illegal, but most of the time he travels on drives to the hoop.

I'm actually rooting for OKC now, anyone but the Lakers & Heat!!!

BleedGreen 05-06-2012 12:19 AM

While I do love Hardens game I dont know if id call him a franchise player. Could he lead a sub-par franchise to the playoffs? That remains to be seen. I do believe hes the ultimate complimentary player as he doesnt need to dominate the basketball to be effective, his skills are very Manu esq. Can shoot the open 3, hit the 18 footer, penetrate finish at the basket and penetrate dish. Very shifty

I dont know the exact numbers but I think the Perkins deal will prohibit the thunder from keeping both harden and ibaka.

drob50 05-06-2012 12:21 AM

[QUOTE=EMD34;2633616]I dont think ibaka is a higher priority than Harden, I have watched [B][U]many[/U][/B] games this year that they would not have won without him. Harden is a great player.[/QUOTE]

He should be!
If they keep Harden and let Ibaka go, they will be lacking too much in defense and in the paint IMO.

Agree Harden made it happen this year along with the big 2, but if he was on the pay that a player of his calibre gets elsewhere, they would have to surround him with scrubs in order to keep under the cap!

crazymj 05-06-2012 12:28 AM

I think for thunder, ibaka might be more valuable than james harden. There's a reason they have james harden on the bench (which i'm sure he doesn't enjoy that much). Between durant and westbrook, there's just not enough shots to go around. But you never know how james harden will turn out once he goes somewhere else and needs to carry a team.

murrke03 05-06-2012 12:30 AM

Def not franchise player yet. This will show if he leaves after the year and goes to crappy team.

kiddpanda 05-06-2012 12:32 AM

harden has a very good relationship with KD off court, i am sure he would stay!!! THUNDER UP!

MavsRChamps 05-06-2012 12:34 AM

Thunder are just so good as a team - Harden can be a franchise-player , just not on a Championship team probably ...

Although if you switch him and Ginobili right now, he could be the Spurs' best player and obviously they could win the whole thing with him. He would just have to have a really good supporting cast like the Spurs team has now ...

As a Mavs fan , Thunder just destroyed us - They have 3 Legit offensive Forces, the best shot-blocker in the game, and countless other role guys that get the job done

slugger22 05-06-2012 12:37 AM

Dallas never had a chance in this series. Enjoy your long break !

MavsRChamps 05-06-2012 12:39 AM

[QUOTE=slugger22;2634277]Dallas never had a chance in this series. Enjoy your long break ![/QUOTE]

We just lost to a better team - We had a chance to win 3 games, but now We / Mavs know how the Thunder felt last year against us

gamboooler 05-06-2012 12:46 AM

I am taking any action from people who actually think Harden will be on any team other than the Thunder next year.

tupark82 05-06-2012 01:24 AM

Yeah. I can agree with this. I don't see why he couldn't take the same type of role as Brandon Roy once did.

They have different qualities. I don't think Harden is as good of a one on one player the way Roy was, but he's composed and is always able to take his time to do what he wants to do, and that part of his game reminds me of Roy.

But definitely, he can easily average over 20 ppg and make an impact with his playmaking if he was the main guy. I always believed this to be the case with Manu Ginobili too, but he sacrificed to stay with the Spurs. Will Harden? I doubt it. Too good, too early. The man may seek a near max contract and I'm not sure the Thunder can keep him even if they amnesty Perkins

bj3nnings 05-06-2012 01:25 AM

Franchise player?? Seriously??? I love Harden and think he's a great player but i'm not drinking your kool-aid.

suki24 05-06-2012 01:26 AM

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Mark Cuban. He mad.

IamRalpho 05-06-2012 01:41 AM

Gonna be interesting to see after next year how they keep him and Ibaka around.

Perkins is a goner, other than that, they are going to need to be creative.

He is a not a franchise player, but hes damn good

MikeMamba 05-06-2012 03:54 AM

Um, IDK about franchise player.

I mean teams rarely double him because of KD and Westbrook, he pretty much faces no pressure most of the time. And plays against 2nd unit teams for a good amount of time. He does close for the Thunder though.


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