James Harden is a legit franchise player

suki24 · 05-05-2012, 10:15 PM

He's efficient, clutch, and an all around player that can control the pace and take over games. OKC is so lucky to have him.

EMD34 · 05-05-2012, 10:20 PM

I have been saying for a while that he is just a good as Durant. He is just so great at creating his own shot as well as creating for others.

Jin · 05-05-2012, 10:21 PM

i wouldnt go as far as to say franchise player.

he's an excellent role player and a very god scorer, but could he lead a team to the playoffs? idts

Bizzydesigner · 05-05-2012, 10:27 PM

Isn't he a free agent (possibly restricted) at the end of the year? Wonder if he'll end up on another team where he can start.

drob50 · 05-05-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bizzydesigner

Isn't he a free agent (possibly restricted) at the end of the year? Wonder if he'll end up on another team where he can start.

Spot on! He will be gone next year imo! He should be pulling in more $$ than what OKC can offer him! Especially if they keep Ibaka, which should be a higher priority than Harden!

EMD34 · 05-05-2012, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by drob50

Spot on! He will be gone next year imo! He should be pulling in more $$ than what OKC can offer him! Especially if they keep Ibaka, which should be a higher priority than Harden!

I dont think ibaka is a higher priority than Harden, I have watched many games this year that they would not have won without him. Harden is a great player.

dlin23 · 05-05-2012, 10:34 PM

Love James Harden I wish OKC could keep both Ibaka and Harden

but won't happen. A card from collection of mr. Harden!

n1nesports · 05-05-2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jin

i wouldnt go as far as to say franchise player.

he's an excellent role player and a very god scorer, but could he lead a team to the playoffs? idts

I'm sure if he was a team's main scoring option he could easily be a franchise player. If he had a good supporting cast he probably could lead them to the playoffs like any good player.

Jared_davey · 05-05-2012, 11:54 PM

thats my boy !

put it this way.
put him on the wizards/nets/warriors they are a ligitimate playoff chance of the 6-8 seeds.

hopefully he will take a slight pay cut to stay with the thunder to win several champion ships in the next 5-6 years.

the thunder are that good.

screamingdc · 05-05-2012, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by n1nesports

I'm sure if he was a team's main scoring option he could easily be a franchise player. If he had a good supporting cast he probably could lead them to the playoffs like any good player.

how many franchise players do you think there are in the NBA then? i don't think Harden is a franchise player mysef and i think there are maybe 10 or so real franchise players in the league to begin with. and any team with a good supporting cast can make the playoffs with or without a franchise player (Indiana, Atlanta, Utah, Memphis). guys who i label as franchise players include Kobe, Dwight Howard, Lebron, Rose, Duncan, and CP3 for example.

paul06901 · 05-05-2012, 11:56 PM

As a Mavs fan, I wanted to hate Harden, but I can't. He seems like a great guy, doesn't ever complain or whine, plays hard and is an all around team player. He's clutch and reliable.

One thing that killed me though, 99% of the time he drove to the hoop he took about 4-5 steps and was NEVER called for a travel. He sometimes takes those strides which is not illegal, but most of the time he travels on drives to the hoop.

I'm actually rooting for OKC now, anyone but the Lakers & Heat!!!

BleedGreen · 05-06-2012, 12:19 AM

While I do love Hardens game I dont know if id call him a franchise player. Could he lead a sub-par franchise to the playoffs? That remains to be seen. I do believe hes the ultimate complimentary player as he doesnt need to dominate the basketball to be effective, his skills are very Manu esq. Can shoot the open 3, hit the 18 footer, penetrate finish at the basket and penetrate dish. Very shifty

I dont know the exact numbers but I think the Perkins deal will prohibit the thunder from keeping both harden and ibaka.

drob50 · 05-06-2012, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by EMD34

I dont think ibaka is a higher priority than Harden, I have watched many games this year that they would not have won without him. Harden is a great player.

He should be!
If they keep Harden and let Ibaka go, they will be lacking too much in defense and in the paint IMO.

Agree Harden made it happen this year along with the big 2, but if he was on the pay that a player of his calibre gets elsewhere, they would have to surround him with scrubs in order to keep under the cap!

crazymj · 05-06-2012, 12:28 AM

I think for thunder, ibaka might be more valuable than james harden. There's a reason they have james harden on the bench (which i'm sure he doesn't enjoy that much). Between durant and westbrook, there's just not enough shots to go around. But you never know how james harden will turn out once he goes somewhere else and needs to carry a team.

murrke03 · 05-06-2012, 12:30 AM

Def not franchise player yet. This will show if he leaves after the year and goes to crappy team.

kiddpanda · 05-06-2012, 12:32 AM

harden has a very good relationship with KD off court, i am sure he would stay!!! THUNDER UP!

MavsRChamps · 05-06-2012, 12:34 AM

Thunder are just so good as a team - Harden can be a franchise-player , just not on a Championship team probably ...

Although if you switch him and Ginobili right now, he could be the Spurs' best player and obviously they could win the whole thing with him. He would just have to have a really good supporting cast like the Spurs team has now ...

As a Mavs fan , Thunder just destroyed us - They have 3 Legit offensive Forces, the best shot-blocker in the game, and countless other role guys that get the job done

slugger22 · 05-06-2012, 12:37 AM

Dallas never had a chance in this series. Enjoy your long break !

MavsRChamps · 05-06-2012, 12:39 AM

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Dallas never had a chance in this series. Enjoy your long break !

We just lost to a better team - We had a chance to win 3 games, but now We / Mavs know how the Thunder felt last year against us

gamboooler · 05-06-2012, 12:46 AM

I am taking any action from people who actually think Harden will be on any team other than the Thunder next year.

tupark82 · 05-06-2012, 01:24 AM

Yeah. I can agree with this. I don't see why he couldn't take the same type of role as Brandon Roy once did.

They have different qualities. I don't think Harden is as good of a one on one player the way Roy was, but he's composed and is always able to take his time to do what he wants to do, and that part of his game reminds me of Roy.

But definitely, he can easily average over 20 ppg and make an impact with his playmaking if he was the main guy. I always believed this to be the case with Manu Ginobili too, but he sacrificed to stay with the Spurs. Will Harden? I doubt it. Too good, too early. The man may seek a near max contract and I'm not sure the Thunder can keep him even if they amnesty Perkins

bj3nnings · 05-06-2012, 01:25 AM

Franchise player?? Seriously??? I love Harden and think he's a great player but i'm not drinking your kool-aid.

suki24 · 05-06-2012, 01:26 AM

Mark Cuban. He mad.

IamRalpho · 05-06-2012, 01:41 AM

Gonna be interesting to see after next year how they keep him and Ibaka around.

Perkins is a goner, other than that, they are going to need to be creative.

He is a not a franchise player, but hes damn good

MikeMamba · 05-06-2012, 03:54 AM

Um, IDK about franchise player.

I mean teams rarely double him because of KD and Westbrook, he pretty much faces no pressure most of the time. And plays against 2nd unit teams for a good amount of time. He does close for the Thunder though.

05-05-2012, 10:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
suki24 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,191 therainman_24	James Harden is a legit franchise player He's efficient, clutch, and an all around player that can control the pace and take over games. OKC is so lucky to have him.

05-05-2012, 10:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jin Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: University of Illinois @ Urbana Posts: 2,266 JinsUnited	i wouldnt go as far as to say franchise player. he's an excellent role player and a very god scorer, but could he lead a team to the playoffs? idts __________________ JINSUNITED TAKE A PEEK ~ I COLLECT STAR PATCHES AND AUTOS http://s1140.photobucket.com/albums/n577/JinsUnited/Basketball%20Collection/

05-05-2012, 10:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
Bizzydesigner Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: IL Posts: 1,557 wantstobuystuff	Isn't he a free agent (possibly restricted) at the end of the year? Wonder if he'll end up on another team where he can start. __________________ Official Derrick Rose & Nick Toon Collector. Bucket: http://tinyurl.com/caowrew D. Rose PC: http://tinyurl.com/d8qecvf

05-05-2012, 10:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
dlin23 Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 141	Love James Harden I wish OKC could keep both Ibaka and Harden but won't happen. A card from collection of mr. Harden! __________________ Collect: Kevin Durant, Lebron James, James Harden, Bradley Beal, and 90's Kobe/Jordan inserts.

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Jared_davey Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 201 jared_davey	thats my boy ! put it this way. put him on the wizards/nets/warriors they are a ligitimate playoff chance of the 6-8 seeds. hopefully he will take a slight pay cut to stay with the thunder to win several champion ships in the next 5-6 years. the thunder are that good. __________________ James Harden for Sale http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/jared_davey/library/James%20Harden Collecting John Wall Autos http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/jared_davey/library/John%20Wall

05-05-2012, 10:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
EMD34 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: OKC Posts: 1,143	I have been saying for a while that he is just a good as Durant. He is just so great at creating his own shot as well as creating for others.

05-05-2012, 11:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
paul06901 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,713 idealz_auctions_inc	As a Mavs fan, I wanted to hate Harden, but I can't. He seems like a great guy, doesn't ever complain or whine, plays hard and is an all around team player. He's clutch and reliable. One thing that killed me though, 99% of the time he drove to the hoop he took about 4-5 steps and was NEVER called for a travel. He sometimes takes those strides which is not illegal, but most of the time he travels on drives to the hoop. I'm actually rooting for OKC now, anyone but the Lakers & Heat!!!

05-06-2012, 12:19 AM	#12 (permalink)
BleedGreen Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Boston Posts: 24	While I do love Hardens game I dont know if id call him a franchise player. Could he lead a sub-par franchise to the playoffs? That remains to be seen. I do believe hes the ultimate complimentary player as he doesnt need to dominate the basketball to be effective, his skills are very Manu esq. Can shoot the open 3, hit the 18 footer, penetrate finish at the basket and penetrate dish. Very shifty I dont know the exact numbers but I think the Perkins deal will prohibit the thunder from keeping both harden and ibaka. __________________ Collecting Rajon Rondo AUTOS/GU

05-06-2012, 12:28 AM	#14 (permalink)
crazymj Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: www.youtube.com/user/crazymj Posts: 6,660	I think for thunder, ibaka might be more valuable than james harden. There's a reason they have james harden on the bench (which i'm sure he doesn't enjoy that much). Between durant and westbrook, there's just not enough shots to go around. But you never know how james harden will turn out once he goes somewhere else and needs to carry a team. __________________ Collecting All Yi Jianlian RC Autos!

05-06-2012, 12:30 AM	#15 (permalink)
murrke03 Temporarily Suspended Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 8,463 murrke03	Def not franchise player yet. This will show if he leaves after the year and goes to crappy team.

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kiddpanda Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 511	harden has a very good relationship with KD off court, i am sure he would stay!!! THUNDER UP! __________________ I am one passionate Kevin Durant fan! Collecting all KD cards, please PM me if you want to sell your KD cards. PC Album: http://www.yupoo.com/photos/yucheng35/albums/4847999/

05-06-2012, 12:34 AM	#17 (permalink)
MavsRChamps Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Mt. Laurel, NJ Posts: 850	Thunder are just so good as a team - Harden can be a franchise-player , just not on a Championship team probably ... Although if you switch him and Ginobili right now, he could be the Spurs' best player and obviously they could win the whole thing with him. He would just have to have a really good supporting cast like the Spurs team has now ... As a Mavs fan , Thunder just destroyed us - They have 3 Legit offensive Forces, the best shot-blocker in the game, and countless other role guys that get the job done

05-06-2012, 12:37 AM	#18 (permalink)
slugger22 Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 545	Dallas never had a chance in this series. Enjoy your long break !

05-06-2012, 12:46 AM	#20 (permalink)
gamboooler Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 2,667 gamboooler	I am taking any action from people who actually think Harden will be on any team other than the Thunder next year. __________________ When I post a price, I will not respond if you ask for a "best price" of if I "can do any better." If you want a better price than the one posted, please counter-offer.

05-06-2012, 01:24 AM	#21 (permalink)
tupark82 Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,939	Yeah. I can agree with this. I don't see why he couldn't take the same type of role as Brandon Roy once did. They have different qualities. I don't think Harden is as good of a one on one player the way Roy was, but he's composed and is always able to take his time to do what he wants to do, and that part of his game reminds me of Roy. But definitely, he can easily average over 20 ppg and make an impact with his playmaking if he was the main guy. I always believed this to be the case with Manu Ginobili too, but he sacrificed to stay with the Spurs. Will Harden? I doubt it. Too good, too early. The man may seek a near max contract and I'm not sure the Thunder can keep him even if they amnesty Perkins __________________ sheridanhoops.com/author/james-park/ twitter.com/sheridanblog I collect STEPHEN CURRY RC AUTOS: http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tupark82/library/MY%20PC/Stephen%20Curry?sort=6&page=1

05-06-2012, 01:25 AM	#22 (permalink)
bj3nnings Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 155	Franchise player?? Seriously??? I love Harden and think he's a great player but i'm not drinking your kool-aid.

05-06-2012, 01:26 AM	#23 (permalink)
suki24 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,191 therainman_24	Mark Cuban. He mad.

05-06-2012, 01:41 AM	#24 (permalink)
IamRalpho Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Boston Posts: 7,309 IamSilly	Gonna be interesting to see after next year how they keep him and Ibaka around. Perkins is a goner, other than that, they are going to need to be creative. He is a not a franchise player, but hes damn good

05-06-2012, 03:54 AM	#25 (permalink)
MikeMamba Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,193 mikemamba	Um, IDK about franchise player. I mean teams rarely double him because of KD and Westbrook, he pretty much faces no pressure most of the time. And plays against 2nd unit teams for a good amount of time. He does close for the Thunder though.

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