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paul06901 08-08-2012 06:22 PM

Two players I just lost respect for...
 
Wow...talk about dirty:

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8enT4SL1PBg]Nic Batum's nutshot hits Juan Carlos Navarro in the nuts [OL 2012] - YouTube[/url]


[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSwk444j4D0]Ronny Turiaf pushes Rudy Fernandez on court - Spain vs France 66-59 (8-8-2012) - YouTube[/url]

Sorry for the bad video on the second one.


I actually liked both of these guys in the NBA up until I saw these idiotic and vicious actions.


For what it matters, Turiaf and Batum are now on my list of players I will wish injury upon in the NBA this coming season :devil:

1eyed_jack 08-08-2012 06:24 PM

Batum is just a thug.

Shady play by Turiaf also, but Fernandez definitely flopped on it

paul06901 08-08-2012 06:31 PM

[QUOTE=1eyed_jack;3105077]Batum is just a thug.

Shady play by Turiaf also, but Fernandez definitely flopped on it[/QUOTE]

The Batum thing is completely awful. I mean he wound up and sucker punched another man in the groin ... It doesn't get much dirtier than that. He's such a thug, but he wouldn't dare do that to Lebron or anyone around his size.


Fernandez flopped a bit but he still got completely leveled and landed directly on his hip. You try getting blindsided by a guy 50 lbs heavier than you and flying 10 feet in the air, landing directly on your hip bone haha ... that's gotta hurt!

SelfDestruct808 08-08-2012 06:44 PM

I think batum did that cause they kept flopping. And if you gonna flop, might as well get smacked for real.

hairyangryfella 08-08-2012 06:47 PM

[QUOTE=SelfDestruct808;3105215]I think batum did that cause they kept flopping. And if you gonna flop, might as well get smacked for real.[/QUOTE]

Spot on. I think he's quoted as saying something like "I wanted to give him a good reason to flop"

drob50 08-08-2012 06:49 PM

Yeah, this sort of thing just highlights the lack of professionalism and quality in players. The ONLY way to affect the result is to play the game!!! Not carry on like a thug because you are losing!
It is worse because I am a huge fan of Tony Parker and he has always been a fair player that focuses on the game (like all Spurs), but now the whole French team is going to get viewed as dirty!!

I guess France takes international competitions VERY seriously!! I used to be a fan of Thierry Henry (soccer) until I saw him cheat by intentionally handballing to score a goal, which stopped Ireland from qualifying for the world cup. Just another dirty sports play!

SelfDestruct808 08-08-2012 06:52 PM

[QUOTE=hairyangryfella;3105233]Spot on. I think he's quoted as saying something like "I wanted to give him a good reason to flop"[/QUOTE]

And for that, i guess i have more respect for him:)!. Guys constantly flopping is horrible to watch, just play Ball. I'm against dirty players, but if you're gonna act like you got hurt CONSTANTLY when you're really not, i hope someone gives you a reason to cry for real. And as long as batum ONLY does that to floppers, then i'll side with him.

alexcampos 08-08-2012 06:53 PM

The Spanish team is just as bad as Argentina when it comes to flopping.

Seriously, I would go nuts as a player, and Fernandez DEFINITELY flopped in that last video.

paul06901 08-08-2012 06:57 PM

[QUOTE=SelfDestruct808;3105271]And for that, i guess i have more respect for him:)!. Guys constantly flopping is horrible to watch, just play Ball. I'm against dirty players, but if you're gonna act like you got hurt CONSTANTLY when you're really not, i hope someone gives you a reason to cry for real. And as long as batum ONLY does that to floppers, then i'll side with him.[/QUOTE]



Leave that up to the league/refs. Why would you want the players to take this into their own hands?

Because someone is flopping, they deserve to be physically assaulted? And even worse a blindside cheapshot?


How can you justify Batum winding up and cheapshot punching a guy in the groin because he was flopping?

That arguement makes ZERO sense.


I'm not defending flopping whatsoever, but that is just plain ridiculous to be happy and say Navarro or Fernandez deserved to be cheap-shotted because they flopped?!:confused:

SelfDestruct808 08-08-2012 06:59 PM

[QUOTE=paul06901;3105310][B]Leave that up to the league/refs.[/B] Why would you want the players to take this into their own hands?

Because someone is flopping, they deserve to be physically assaulted? And even worse a blindside cheapshot?


How can you justify Batum winding up and cheapshot punching a guy in the groin because he was flopping?

That arguement makes ZERO sense.


I'm not defending flopping whatsoever, but that is just plain ridiculous to be happy and say Navarro or Fernandez deserved to be cheap-shotted because they flopped?!:confused:[/QUOTE]
What has the league/refs done to enforce rules against flopping so far?

paul06901 08-08-2012 07:03 PM

[QUOTE=SelfDestruct808;3105331]What has the league/refs done to enforce rules against flopping so far?[/QUOTE]

Well, the NBA enacted new rules against flopping. We can't control the world.

So, by your theory of taking matters into their own hands (players maliciously hurting/injuring other players due to a harmless act that has a minor impact on the game and doesn't physically hurt anyone) ... anything that anyone does in this world that is 'bad' but not illegal, we should physically injury them maliciously and on-purpose, and it's completely justified and OK?

SelfDestruct808 08-08-2012 07:09 PM

[QUOTE=paul06901;3105368]Well, the NBA enacted new rules against flopping. We can't control the world.

So, by your theory of taking matters into their own hands (players maliciously hurting/injuring other players due to a harmless act that has a minor impact on the game and doesn't physically hurt anyone) ... anything that anyone does in this world that is 'bad' but not illegal, we should physically injury them maliciously and on-purpose, and it's completely justified and OK?[/QUOTE]

No one is asking to solve every problem in this world. This is a basketball game. I'm talking about basketball. Guys who flop on a play is one thing, guys who, as i said above, CONSTANTLY flops IMO, shouldn't complain when someone cheap shots them because of their CONSTANT act of flopping or pretending to be hurt. Now idk if navarro constantly flopped during the game, if he didn't then thats a different story. Im not saying that if an opposing player keeps flopping, you should meet him in the parking lot and bust a cap in his azz. All i'm saying is that if someone keeps flopping and you're getting tired of it & replay clearly shows you barely touch him and magically his body flew into the stands, then do something about it. Only time the league will do something is after the game. You want him to stop flopping during the game

alexcampos 08-08-2012 07:11 PM

[QUOTE=paul06901;3105368]Well, the NBA enacted new rules against flopping. We can't control the world.[/QUOTE]

And I think it's a GREAT idea.

But let's be honest......the biggest floppers are usually International players!

Ginobili, Scola, Varejao, Nocioni.....it's how they play!


And it's insane.....I don't want Soccer style playing in Basketball.

1eyed_jack 08-08-2012 07:15 PM

[QUOTE=alexcampos;3105425]And I think it's a GREAT idea.

But let's be honest......the biggest floppers are usually International players!

Ginobili, Scola, Varejao, Nocioni.....it's how they play!


And it's insane.....I don't want Soccer style playing in Basketball.[/QUOTE]

I agree. All the NBA needs to do is stop calling it. It's fairly obvious when it's a legit offensive foul and when it's a flop, stop calling it and people stop doing it.

hairyangryfella 08-08-2012 07:18 PM

[QUOTE=drob50;3105242]Yeah, this sort of thing just highlights the lack of professionalism and quality in players. The ONLY way to affect the result is to play the game!!! Not carry on like a thug because you are losing!
It is worse because I am a huge fan of Tony Parker and he has always been a fair player that focuses on the game (like all Spurs), but now the whole French team is going to get viewed as dirty!!

I guess France takes international competitions VERY seriously!! I used to be a fan of Thierry Henry (soccer) until I saw him cheat by intentionally handballing to score a goal, which stopped Ireland from qualifying for the world cup. Just another dirty sports play![/QUOTE]

Never trust the French....

paul06901 08-08-2012 07:19 PM

[QUOTE=alexcampos;3105425]And I think it's a GREAT idea.

But let's be honest......the biggest floppers are usually International players!

Ginobili, Scola, Varejao, Nocioni.....it's how they play!


And it's insane.....I don't want Soccer style playing in Basketball.[/QUOTE]

Well, this past year I've seen Blake, CP3, and many other U.S. players flop just as bad.

The problem is, the league is in-between.

They call a no-flopping rule, but then give superstar treatment.


Every time Lebron or Wade miss a shot, it's a foul. Some no-name guy gets hacked on a layup and no-call.



Watching old NBA games, star players like Jordan, Magic, etc ... they all got hacked to pieces and STILL dominated.

Currently, there's so many BS hand-checking and blocking fouls being called on defense. To me, that's MUCH worse than the flopping!

murrke03 08-08-2012 08:21 PM

dirty plays...

funny thing is players like garnett do same thing and people say he is just 'intense' lol

murrke03 08-08-2012 08:22 PM

[QUOTE=paul06901;3105486]Well, this past year I've seen Blake, CP3, and many other U.S. players flop just as bad.

The problem is, the league is in-between.

They call a no-flopping rule, but then give superstar treatment.


Every time Lebron or Wade miss a shot, it's a foul. Some no-name guy gets hacked on a layup and no-call.



Watching old NBA games, star players like Jordan, Magic, etc ... they all got hacked to pieces and STILL dominated.

Currently, there's so many BS hand-checking and blocking fouls being called on defense. To me, that's MUCH worse than the flopping![/QUOTE]


haha are you arguing that jordan didn't get the 'superstar treatment'.

lol

paul06901 08-08-2012 08:45 PM

[QUOTE=murrke03;3105936]haha are you arguing that jordan didn't get the 'superstar treatment'.

lol[/QUOTE]



haha, no not at all. But there was MUCH more physical contact in every game compared to the current NBA games. Many more hard fouls, many no-calls on fouls. Tons of And-1's not called. Watching the NBA these days if someone sneezes on Wade driving to the hoop he's instantly at the line shooting 2

XARZY 08-08-2012 09:04 PM

[QUOTE=paul06901;3105065]Wow...talk about dirty:

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8enT4SL1PBg]Nic Batum's nutshot hits Juan Carlos Navarro in the nuts [OL 2012] - YouTube[/url]


[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSwk444j4D0][B]Ronny Turiaf[/B] pushes Rudy Fernandez on court - Spain vs France 66-59 (8-8-2012) - YouTube[/url]

Sorry for the bad video on the second one.


I actually liked both of these guys in the NBA up until I saw these idiotic and vicious actions.


For what it matters, Turiaf and Batum are now on my list of players I will wish injury upon in the NBA this coming season :devil:[/QUOTE]

What do you expect from a Miami Heat player!? lol :devil:

When I saw Nic Batum with the punch it reminded me of a Drake at the club getting into a fist fight lol extremely poor and the officiating in that game was ridiculous... flop-gate! HA!

Anyone else see Flop-Gate give team usa the momentum at the end of the 3rd qtr when they were only 6 pts up?

and with flop-gate Im referring to refs not actual flopping in this case.

Srt42004n 08-08-2012 09:14 PM

Batum was funny bc after he tried chopping the ball away it looked like the ESP player pointed a finger and thats what set him off...wonder where Tony Parker was hiding with his bottle...

AlabamaSlamma 08-08-2012 09:16 PM

chris paul gave julius hodge a wicked cock punch back when they were in the ACC. whoops.

fritzfreddie 08-08-2012 09:21 PM

[QUOTE=SelfDestruct808;3105271]And for that, i guess i have more respect for him:)!. Guys constantly flopping is horrible to watch, just play Ball. I'm against dirty players, but if you're gonna act like you got hurt CONSTANTLY when you're really not, i hope someone gives you a reason to cry for real. And as long as batum ONLY does that to floppers, then i'll side with him.[/QUOTE]

I live in Portland and have seen plenty of his games live and Batum is a flopper himself. To complain about others flopping is laughable so he's a hypocrite nut cheap shot taker. Wonder how much he'd like it if someone nut shot him for his flops.

paul06901 08-08-2012 09:27 PM

[QUOTE=fritzfreddie;3106363]I live in Portland and have seen plenty of his games live and Batum is a flopper himself. To complain about others flopping is laughable so he's a hypocrite nut cheap shot taker. Wonder how much he'd like it if someone nut shot him for his flops.[/QUOTE]

Turiaf is one of the biggest floppers in the league as well! A huge guy taking flop charges from PGs! :rolleyes:

MikeMamba 08-08-2012 09:41 PM

don't call out international players on flopping when your own players are masters at it

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiM2WGg9ffQ]Lebron James Where Flopping Happens (HD) nba - YouTube[/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h60uviwKC0]Chris Bosh flop vs Bulls - YouTube[/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktJ8S-PJGEQ]LeBron James - Worst Flop Ever - YouTube[/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgU6JnKJw8Q]I flop therefore I am - YouTube[/url]


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