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Old 10-15-2012, 05:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Beckett Is Wrong On The Exquisite Numbers

So as you may have heard beckett is stating that there is 895 Jordan autos included in the product (not counting the dimensions of course). There is one HUGE problem with this, the math is wrong. Look at the numbers they get at the link below:

Beckett News Upper Deck packs plenty of Michael Jordan autographs into upcoming Exquisite Collection

Here are my numbers that I got:

CB-JO Jordan (Exquisite Championship Bling) – 99
CB-JO Jordan (Exquisite Championship Bling) - 75
CB-MI Jordan (Exquisite Championship Bling) – 99
CB-MI Jordan (Exquisite Championship Bling) - 75
EE-JN Jordan (Endorsements) – 50
EE-JN Jordan (Endorsements) - 5
EE-JO Jordan (Endorsements) – 50
EE-JO Jordan (Endorsements) - 5
EE-MI Jordan (Endorsements) – 50
EE-MI Jordan (Endorsements) - 5
EE2-EJ Dr. J & Jordan (Endorsement Dual) - 20
EE2-EJ Dr. J & Jordan (Endorsement Dual) - 5
EE2-JB Jordan & Bird (Endorsements Dual) – 20
EE2-JB Jordan & Bird (Endorsement Dual) - 5
EE2-JJ Jordan & Magic (Endorsements Dual) – 20
EE2-JJ Jordan & Magic (Endorsements Dual) - 5
EE2-ML Jordan & Lebron (Endorsements Dual) – 20
EE2-ML Jordan & Lebron (Endorsements Dual) - 5
EE4-JJB Bird, Lebron, Magic & Jordan (Endorsement Quad) – 5
EE4-JJB Bird, Lebron, Magic & Jordan (Endorsements Quad) - 3
EE4-JJE Jordan, Lebron, Bird, Dr. J (Endorsements Quad ) – 5
EE4-JJE Jordan, Lebron, Bird, Dr. J (Endorsements Quad) - 3
EE4-JJJ Dr. J, Lebron, Magic, Jordan (Endorsements Quad) – 5
EE4-JJJ Dr. J, Lebron, Magic, Jordan (Endorsements Quad) - 3
EE3-JBJ Jordan, Bird, Lebron (Endorsement Triples) – 15
EE3-JBJ Jordan, Bird, Lebron (Endorsements Triple) - 5
EE3-JJB Jordan, Magic, Bird (Endorsement Triples) – 15
EE3-JJB Jordan, Magic, Bird (Endorsement Triples) - 5
EE3-JJE Dr. J, Lebron, Jordan (Endorsement Triples) – 15
EE3-JJE Dr. J, Lebron, Jordan (Endorsement Triples) - 5
EE3-JJJ Jordan, Magic, Lebron (Endorsement Triples) – 15
EE3- JJJ Jordan, Magic, Lebron (Endorsement Triple) - 5
EL-JN Jordan (Exquisite Legacy) – 23
EL-JN Jordan (Exquisite Legacy) - 5
EL-JO Jordan (exquisite Legacy) – 23
EL-JO Jordan (Exquisite Legacy) - 5
EL-MI Jordan (Exquisite Legacy) -23
EL-MI Jordan (Exquisite Legacy) - 5
L-JO Jordan (Black College Logo Auto) – 40
V-JO Jordan (Black College Vault Auto) – 60
LP2-BJ Jordan & Bird (Black Patch Auto Book) -25
LP2-JE Dr. J & Jordan (Black Patch Auto Book) – 25
LP2-JJ Lebron & Jordan (Black Patch Auto Book) – 23
LP2-JR Rodman & Jordan (Black Patch Auto Book) 50
LP2-MM Magic & Jordan (Black Patch Auto Book) -25
B-JN Jordan (Black Signatures) – 10
B-MI Jordan (Black Signatures) – 10
B-MJ Jordan (Black Signatures) -10
1 Jordan (Base 1 of 1 Auto) - 1
30 Jordan (Base 1 of 1 Auto) – 1


As well as being on 12 of the Exquisite 12 cards.

You will now notice our numbers are exactly the same. The problem is somebody at Beckett didn't add properly. The exact confirmed autos of Jordan are

1093 total Jordan autos, feel free to add the numbers from either Beckett or mine, and they should be exactly the same. Now onto the Dimensions, Jordan has six of them with each having my educated guess being a print run of 100-200 each. This should make around at least 1,600 cases, and at most 2,000. You can bank on that.

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im on your side but why would they make 150-200 dimension autos?
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isn't this actually WORSE? Adding over 1000 jordan auto's to the market can only make his auto go lower and lower... UD Champions and some SPA auto's already sell for only 300-350... this is not a good thing
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im on your side but why would they make 150-200 dimension autos?
Just look at football. They made roughly around that amount per player. The difference is that football only had 1 variation per player.

Also UD can't have 1,000 cases unless most (80%) of boxes had two rookie autos as well as two base cards. Given I HIGHLY doubt they are going to put two extra hits per box I believe the numbers are spot on.
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isn't this actually WORSE? Adding over 1000 jordan auto's to the market can only make his auto go lower and lower... UD Champions and some SPA auto's already sell for only 300-350... this is not a good thing
Depends on who you ask. For the person trying to bust, and make profit I would say probably. For the person who is just flipping I would say not at all. With all the negativity this product gets it will still sell, and go up in value immediately upon release, trust me.
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Just look at football. They made roughly around that amount per player. The difference is that football only had 1 variation per player.

Also UD can't have 1,000 cases unless most (80%) of boxes had two rookie autos as well as two base cards. Given I HIGHLY doubt they are going to put two extra hits per box I believe the numbers are spot on.
i could see 2 base cards 1 on front and one on back but dont see 2 rookie autos so i guess it makes sense that way
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Depends on who you ask. For the person trying to bust, and make profit I would say probably. For the person who is just flipping I would say not at all. With all the negativity this product gets it will still sell, and go up in value immediately upon release, trust me.
and 2 months after release when all the prices settle down?

Heck my buddy pulled a Jerry Rice "shadow box" out of exquisite football.. tried to sell it to me for $200 (the first one sold for like 350).. I told him watch.. in a month it's a $100 card... last sale? $90

It's going to be the same with this.. and doing it to jordan is gonna be sad for all us dealers in the end run. For the collectors that always wanted, and could never afford a jordan.. it could be good though. Just sucks for me and those who try to make $$ at this.. oh well
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I knew years ago to wait to pick up a Jordan auto........................ lol
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and 2 months after release when all the prices settle down?

Heck my buddy pulled a Jerry Rice "shadow box" out of exquisite football.. tried to sell it to me for $200 (the first one sold for like 350).. I told him watch.. in a month it's a $100 card... last sale? $90

It's going to be the same with this.. and doing it to jordan is gonna be sad for us all in the end run. For the collectors that always wanted, and could never afford a jordan.. it could be good though. Just sucks for me lol
Thats exactly it. Card values will drop after release like you state, but the sealed boxes will go up. The reasoning is Panini is not in demand like UD products even if it is college, also it is the only place to get a Jordan or Lebron.
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I knew years ago to wait to pick up a Jordan auto........................ lol
Smart man you are. Can't wait to see the Asian markets eat this alive. I know LOTS of collectors over there who could care less about the players being in an NBA uniform. Most of the allegiance is to the player not to the uniform they wear, which if you ask me is a sign of a true collector.
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So I wonder how many cases of this allenmpc is going to bust? Poorty Pive Cases...Oh wait.....
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how many jordan autos u think will be on tomorrow night cisco
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Smart man you are. Can't wait to see the Asian markets eat this alive. I know LOTS of collectors over there who could care less about the players being in an NBA uniform. Most of the allegiance is to the player not to the uniform they wear, which if you ask me is a sign of a true collector.
haha... I think you're right. I heard where they save as much as 80% of their income!!! They have pleanty of money to blow on cards... so I hope you and the rest of the guys who bought to sell make a lot of money!!! Me personally, I don't have a problem with college uniforms... I actually think it's something different for the pc, and helps diversify it. I get tired of seeing the same player in the same jersey, so different is definetly better. Heck, I enjoy those Santa cards, when players are in their suits, and so on.... Yeah, you guys are gonna make a killing!! hahaha
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how many jordan autos u think will be on tomorrow night cisco
I would say about 200-280 at most. By the weekend though should be about 300-350 which would be the most Jordan autos to ever hit eBay. Best thing to do is do a 24 hour auction starting tomorrow at 6:00pm.
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I would say about 200-280 at most. By the weekend though should be about 300-350 which would be the most Jordan autos to ever hit eBay. Best thing to do is do a 24 hour auction starting tomorrow at 6:00pm.
im doing 3 day i think trying to decide
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1,687 Total Jordan Auto's then if you add the Dimension ones not numbered probably signed 99 of each. I was guessing 1750 total cases. So roughly 63 cases out of the 1750 without Jordan Auto's.
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im doing 3 day i think trying to decide
Just depends really. I would do 24 if I was getting all my stuff in by then but only getting half tomorrow and the rest of Thursday. Either way you should be all right.
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1,687 Total Jordan Auto's then if you add the Dimension ones not numbered probably signed 99 of each. I was guessing 1750 total cases. So roughly 63 cases out of the 1750 without Jordan Auto's.
That would be a fair assessment but each case does have a Jordan as per Gregg from UD twitter. He is a stand up dude and I doubt he would be lying about the Jordan fall per case.
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Just depends really. I would do 24 if I was getting all my stuff in by then but only getting half tomorrow and the rest of Thursday. Either way you should be all right.
def doing 24 auctions on non stars though.
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Anyone comparing Jerry Rice to MJ is epic fail.
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are the autos in this product on card?
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are the autos in this product on card?
Yep all except the 12 way autos.
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Hey Cisco. U gonna be breaking any tomorrow???
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Hey Cisco. U gonna be breaking any tomorrow???
Probably not tomorrow but definitely Thursday or Friday. I want to wait till I get all my cases in.
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How many cases u gettin in
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