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Old 10-29-2012, 12:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default 11-12 v 12-13 true rookies question

It seems like a lot of people are accepting a 12-13 Kyrie Riving for example as a true rookie when meanwhile we have this panini draft tomorrow. Do people think the redemptions will be much more valuable than the 12-13 rookies of the 11-12 guys? Thoughts? Will both be seen as true rookies?
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It seems like a lot of people are accepting a 12-13 Kyrie Riving for example as a true rookie when meanwhile we have this panini draft tomorrow. Do people think the redemptions will be much more valuable than the 12-13 rookies of the 11-12 guys? Thoughts? Will both be seen as true rookies?
The 'True' rookie debate will never be an easy one, but, I always use MJ as an example.

The Star releases of him were made a year prior to the 86/87 Fleer but because they were sold as team sets (meaning you always got a Jordan in the Bulls set) they are considered XRC's. These 11/12 Redemptions are also considered XRC's, not 'true' RC's.

But technically, only the first produced and packed out RC is a 'true' RC, but these days we have so many releases within a year that people tend to refer to any rookie year cards as an RC.

Also, they are supposed to be a card that is numbered withing the base set, not an insert. Eg - 12-13 Threads. The wood autos would be RC's, but not the die cut because they are numbered as an insert/subset!
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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So what do you think would a, say 11-12 Limted Redemption Irving have more ebay value than a 12-13 Threads? I know its just opinion until it happens.
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I think using Star and Fleer MJ rookie is a horrible comparison. That is like comparing UD Exquisite to Post cereal cards. Also, (example only) I think stating any 11-12 rookies in 12-13 nba hoops as rookies is false because Panini released a nba hoops product in 11-12. Just because Panini did not put 11-12 rookies in the product should not allow the company to make their own rules.

I think the XRC cards will hold more value then 95% of the 12-13 products. Only TT, NT, and low numbered versions or parallels will hold more value.
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:53 AM   #5 (permalink)
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ok well the point of this post isnt to criticize the other commentors comparisons, its to say whether the value will be greater or the same, what do you think?
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I think using Star and Fleer MJ rookie is a horrible comparison. That is like comparing UD Exquisite to Post cereal cards. Also, (example only) I think stating any 11-12 rookies in 12-13 nba hoops as rookies is false because Panini released a nba hoops product in 11-12. Just because Panini did not put 11-12 rookies in the product should not allow the company to make their own rules.

I think the XRC cards will hold more value then 95% of the 12-13 products. Only TT, NT, and low numbered versions or parallels will hold more value.
The manufacturer of the cards is irrelevant. The term 'true rookie' is relating to the first card produced of the player in the appropriate uniform/branding.

The MJ example is a perfect one! He was not a rookie in 86/87, but that was the first year there was a pack pulled RC of him, therefore it is his true rc.

Regardless as to whether there was a released made in 11-12, it didn't contain the rookies from that year! So the 12-13 has to be considered RC.

Also, the value if the XRC's, I think, will have no bearing on the whole 'true rc' argument anyway. It will all be just thought of as 'first year cards', meaning the first year that he was released in cards.
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ok well the point of this post isnt to criticize the other commentors comparisons, its to say whether the value will be greater or the same, what do you think?
I think I focussed too much on the term itself instead of the question at hand.

I don't think the value of these XRC redemptions will at all be controlled by the year or status as RC's. I think too many people bought into these at too high of a cost in the early stages so they will want to recover the $$ and set the card prices high.

When they first came out, I sold a few of the P&P redemptions for $50+ each, but once people got bored of the idea, they settled at arounf $15-$20 each.
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I say Kyrie Irving limited auto 2011/12 should be worth double of his 2012/13 variation.
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ok cool, i would think these 11-12 will carry a higher value at least at first with g/s and limited being higher than p/p
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ok cool, i would think these 11-12 will carry a higher value at least at first with g/s and limited being higher than p/p
I am interested to see the design of P&P. Otherwise, like you said GS, Limited, and then P&P.
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I agree with drob50. These are considered XRC's and the current cards like threads are the RC.

I think Lebron had an XRC before. If I remember it right.
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11/12 cards of Irving will be worth double the 12/13 non rookie
.12/13 national treasures will be his best card though
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The next time that I hear the term "true rookie" I'm going to throw my computer up against the wall. I don't give a damn about a "true rookie". Even though I collect anything all all things Michael Jordan if I had a choice between a 84/85 Jordan star card or the 86/87 fleer card I would choose the star card because it is rarer and worth more money. The same principal would apply to Kyrie Irving Cards.
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Old 10-29-2012, 02:25 PM   #14 (permalink)
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In general though veggieman, if you have an xrc or a insert rookie it doesnt have more value.
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11/12 are his rookies (PP, Lim, GS with the exception of NT) the rest is panini trying to double dip. Shumpert's prestige and threads float around 12-15, the 11/12 cards I suspect will be around $50-$75.
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I honestly think the 11-12 XRC will hold more value. The main reason is newcomers to the hobby will drive the prices of the XRC up. They won't understand/know why these cards were designated as an XRC (lookout) and why these rookies are also included in 12/13. People especially those not in the hobby today will drive the prices of these cards, not the flipper or trader looking to make money on 10/30/2012.
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I honestly think the 11-12 XRC will hold more value. The main reason is newcomers to the hobby will drive the prices of the XRC up. They won't understand/know why these cards were designated as an XRC (lookout) and why these rookies are also included in 12/13. People especially those not in the hobby today will drive the prices of these cards, not the flipper or trader looking to make money on 10/30/2012.

Agreed.
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gonna just throw out there that i love shumpert and think he's gonna be a beast
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