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Old 02-10-2013, 11:56 AM   #401 (permalink)
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They better not enless they get guys where they think they can win now... but dudley and a first rounder doesnt cut it...but u have to think if it will be a top 5 lottery pick
suns have 5th worst record as of now..
i still wouldnt think about a trade like this tho..
Its not an unreasonable trade.. Shump has been kinda bummin lately. However, he's off surgery and needs time..That lottery pick sure is enticing and Dudley isn't bad...The question is, does the addition of Dudley help put us over the top, as well as how bad does the loss of Shump hurt the knicks..Also, are we going to watch Shumpert turn into an All star and defensive marvel for another team etc.??? One thing we know , is that the Suns are drooling over the idea of getting. rather stealing Shump from the Knicks.. The suns tried to get him last yr if everyone remembers..Lastly, what do the Knicks turn the lottery pick (protected or not?) into...I'd pass, but it's something to think about..BTW, Shump, its time to cut that kid n play high-top, he looks like a damn fool and i think it might be weighing and slowing him down. lol
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Old 02-10-2013, 12:02 PM   #402 (permalink)
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this is a week draft class and you hope to get a guy with shumps potential with a top 10 pick. hes ahtletic, pretty good shot, explosive, great d and as for dudley, he's a good player on a bad team, on the knicks i don't see him being very effective.
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Old 02-10-2013, 12:29 PM   #403 (permalink)
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You have to trade shumpert for a top 10 potential pick

SHumpert is a shooting guard who can't shoot .
Plus no one guards him .

Shumpert will be a 10 ppg guy and you have plenty in this league who you can sign or trade for a second round pick .


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the draft is weak this year. dudley would be an upgrade to the roster, but not to lose shump.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:32 PM   #405 (permalink)
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agreed... no1 great in this draft class...

dudley is averaging 11 points on a shitty team... thats not good even on a good team..
dudley is another scoring while right now our defense is sliding

i dont usually like bleacherreport but this is a pretty good read actually

Knicks Rumors: Trading Away Iman Shumpert Would Be Huge Mistake for New York | Bleacher Report

and this is kinda the same but not as good lol...

NBA Trade Rumors: Knicks Would Be Crazy to Deal Iman Shumpert to Suns | Bleacher Report
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I'm sure Suns won't do the deal unless #1 pick is lottery protected.
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:50 PM   #407 (permalink)
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Don't really see why the Knicks could use someone like Dudley. Already got enough 3 point shooters. At least if Shumpert gets a bit more in shape you have an above average defender that is useful come playoff time.
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wow terrible
jr was awful and so was almost everybody...

amare tyson and melo cant all play together... too slow to play a team like this...
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and also... if shump is not gonna play down the stretch to guard like cp3 then im a little confused...
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and also... if shump is not gonna play down the stretch to guard like cp3 then im a little confused...
Kidd , felton , smith will close out games in playoffs .

You might have some defensive switches at end of game but

Kidd will be there
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woodson is in love with jr he played like 36 minutes and had 6 points

27 for crawford 6 for jr thats the difference there... i wasnt very impressed with the clippers tho... jamal and chris paul were on there a game and couldnt miss and they didnt blow out the knicks either... clippers not near spurs and okc level in my opinion but have a ton of potential
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You can say crawford is better than any of the knicks guards and if you offered any of our guards to the clippers for bledsoe they would laugh
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"our" i see you consider yourself a big knick fan lol

regardless dont like the way woodson works the rotations... prigioni was given like 4 minutes and then done

novak is useless b/c he cant take a shot enless any1 is near him...

every knicks with a negative in +- but chandler who was +9 and melo second best with -2

knicks were a negative 26 with tyson out of the game

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"our" i see you consider yourself a big knick fan lol

regardless dont like the way woodson works the rotations... prigioni was given like 4 minutes and then done

novak is useless b/c he cant take a shot enless any1 is near him...

every knicks with a negative in +- but chandler who was +9 and melo second best with -2

knicks were a negative 26 with tyson out of the game

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i thought chandler was soft, jr was off, amare was underused and bad in the first half, novak was non existent and everyone else besides carmelo and ray was negligible. i did see one cool thing though, after the game, CP3 gave his jersey to some kid wearing a CP3 jersey and was really nice about it and careful to make sure the kid got the jersey over all the grabbing hands.

as for shumpert, dudley hasn't done anything in his career. shumpert was an amazingly promising rookie who is like 10-15 games removed from an ACL injury, one of the hardest to recover from in sports. if we don't give this guy a year or 2 to develop and see if he can be a key player, we are fools. there is a reason the suns want him.
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Plain n simple-Knicks need a sg, back up center/pf to help w defense n rebounding...A player who can get to the foul line and score from the post wouldn't hurt either. Amare isn't enough...Tyson's D has suffered big time n he's been soft lately..I didn't like watching him stand around while clippers were jumping over him to get boards like mad today...
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idk how else to say it.... but this team is a mess.... no ball movement like the beginning and no defense... and woodson... i really dont know what he is thinking...

amare 18 minutes jr 34 minutes

only 8 guys played over 10 minutes
very confusing... dont like what he is doing... we were winning with brewer in there altho he began to struggle shooting we were great with him in there... great defender and should be playing...

this so called great bench is 4 guys... novak is hit or misss... jr is solid amare is solid and prig is hot and cold...
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idk how else to say it.... but this team is a mess.... no ball movement like the beginning and no defense... and woodson... i really dont know what he is thinking...

amare 18 minutes jr 34 minutes

only 8 guys played over 10 minutes
very confusing... dont like what he is doing... we were winning with brewer in there altho he began to struggle shooting we were great with him in there... great defender and should be playing...

this so called great bench is 4 guys... novak is hit or misss... jr is solid amare is solid and prig is hot and cold...
come on man, was a bad game, plain and simple. to say they are a mess is just irrationally freaking out. come on, you're not pepsiporch lol.

there is one reason why they lost, and it was melo going 5-24. not because brewer isn't playing lol. he's horrible. they played a bad game and that happens in the nba. really no reason to over-react. they've had much more games that go the other way.

they are in first place at the all-star break and i'll sign up for that all day.
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ya but defense and ball movement has been going way downhill...

imo we have beaten 2 good teams in 2013 being the celtics and hawks...

gotta beat up on the shitty teams at home

considering how we started and a harder second half schedule....
started 10-0 at home and now 9-8 since then

just not like what im seeing in general...
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come on man, was a bad game, plain and simple. to say they are a mess is just irrationally freaking out. come on, you're not pepsiporch lol.

there is one reason why they lost, and it was melo going 5-24. not because brewer isn't playing lol. he's horrible. they played a bad game and that happens in the nba. really no reason to over-react. they've had much more games that go the other way.

they are in first place at the all-star break and i'll sign up for that all day.
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Overall terrible game, lots of chances for us to take over the game but they couldn't execute. We're not a mess right now, just have to get back to the hard playing defensive team we were at the beginning. I think a week off will be good, big game against Indiana a week from tonight.
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yea terrible game but considering in the past few games

besides 2night, verse clippers, verse wizards, we beat wolves but barely, just not nearly as much ball movement and not as hard defense....
kidd needs this rest the most... thats for sure lol...when he plays well every1 does.
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ya but defense and ball movement has been going way downhill...

imo we have beaten 2 good teams in 2013 being the celtics and hawks...

gotta beat up on the shitty teams at home

considering how we started and a harder second half schedule....
started 10-0 at home and now 9-8 since then

just not like what im seeing in general...
defense wasn't the problem today, it was melo.

but just be positive. it will all be fine, the team is the best the knicks have fielded in over a decade. They'll go on another win streak after the all star break.
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Knicks supposedley looking at Luke Ridnour
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yeah i heard they want brewer and for salaries sake it would require novak. brewer i'd do in a heartbeat, that guy is worthless.
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Time for some line up changes?
Shump to bench.
Any word on K Mart playing soon.
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