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Old 11-08-2012, 12:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Paul George Pacers 2010 11 National Treasures RC Patch Card 99 BGS 9 5 Auto 10 | eBay

Yesterday this card was over $600 (unless I am mistaken) which was confusing to me because $550 is roughly where these cards sell. Today I look at it, and its back around $570.

Anyone recognize this seller or have a way of being able to tell?
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Looking at the bidders, it doesn't appear to be shilled. 15% isn't enough to warrant it, especially with 0 retractions or cancels.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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there was a retraction (last night)


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Member Id: X***X(XXX)

Retracted: US $645.00
Explanation: Entered wrong amount

Bid: Nov-05-12 15:47:54 PST
Retracted: Nov-07-12 18:55:12 PST
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unless you meant by the current high bidder - then sorry. was thinking of the auction overall
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Old 11-08-2012, 02:05 PM   #5 (permalink)
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unless you meant by the current high bidder - then sorry. was thinking of the auction overall
Yeah that's what I was referencing. The high bidder, or any bidder has a max of 15% with this seller. The retraction could have been a second account and bid to see his max, but that is being presumptuous
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Ok I am sure it was legitimate, but again, how often to people enter the "wrong amount"? theres a confirmaton that goes along with it.
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Ok I am sure it was legitimate, but again, how often to people enter the "wrong amount"? theres a confirmaton that goes along with it.
I've actually done this on a best offer before not paying much attention. Entered 150 when I meant to enter 105, and the buyer accepted before I had a chance to retract and re-offer.

In this case it was probably an impulse bid then he looked at past prices and decided he didn't wanna pay that much.
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I've actually done this on a best offer before not paying much attention. Entered 150 when I meant to enter 105, and the buyer accepted before I had a chance to retract and re-offer.

In this case it was probably an impulse bid then he looked at past prices and decided he didn't wanna pay that much.
Understandable. Im new to the world of shilling and this is a card im very interested in, so I wanted to cover my bases.

Thanks for the help!
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Looks dodgy as sh!t to me!

2 bidders have retracted their bids, one looks legit, the other has 24 retractions in the last 6 months, so would not be an accident!

Also, the bidder e**i (725) has 40 retractions in the last 6 months!

Scam running here, no doubt!
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^the plot thickens
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Looks dodgy as sh!t to me!

2 bidders have retracted their bids, one looks legit, the other has 24 retractions in the last 6 months, so would not be an accident!

Also, the bidder e**i (725) has 40 retractions in the last 6 months!

Scam running here, no doubt!
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^the plot thickens
LOL. The sky is falling. Here's something you can do when you are bored. Find an eBay account from someone here on Blowout, someone RESPECTED, and look at their past sales. Look for items that have a few bids, then look at the bidders. I GUARANTEE you there are tons of people with retractions. Does that mean they are shilling? NO. Just because a bidder has 50 retractions doesn't automatically make the seller in cahoots. Just being paranoid.

Here you go, take a look at this auction:

eBay.com Item Bid History

9 unique bidders, of those, 23 retractions. Seller? Brentandbecca, one of the best people I've done business with.

There are bad bidders out there, absolutely. But c'mon man, put the pitchforks away.
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LOL. The sky is falling. Here's something you can do when you are bored. Find an eBay account from someone here on Blowout, someone RESPECTED, and look at their past sales. Look for items that have a few bids, then look at the bidders. I GUARANTEE you there are tons of people with retractions. Does that mean they are shilling? NO. Just because a bidder has 50 retractions doesn't automatically make the seller in cahoots. Just being paranoid.

Here you go, take a look at this auction:

eBay.com Item Bid History

9 unique bidders, of those, 23 retractions. Seller? Brentandbecca, one of the best people I've done business with.

There are bad bidders out there, absolutely. But c'mon man, put the pitchforks away.
It doesn't have to be the seller involved for an auction to be manipulated!

Yes, it is the seller trying to get more for their listing for it to be consider shilling.

But when someone bids up other bidders, then retracts, and has 24 or 40 retractions in the last 6 months, then what excuse is there for that? If you think this is legit, then you are naive!

The OP was interested in buying this card, I have pointed out that the auction looks to be manipulated, but I never said it was the seller doing it! Either way, I would suggest to him to stay away from this auction!
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It doesn't have to be the seller involved for an auction to be manipulated!

Yes, it is the seller trying to get more for their listing for it to be consider shilling.

But when someone bids up other bidders, then retracts, and has 24 or 40 retractions in the last 6 months, then what excuse is there for that? If you think this is legit, then you are naive!

The OP was interested in buying this card, I have pointed out that the auction looks to be manipulated, but I never said it was the seller doing it! Either way, I would suggest to him to stay away from this auction!
If you weren't saying the seller was doing it, why did you say there was a scam going on?

I'm simply saying I don't believe this was schilling. Was it a buyer wanting to see who's someone max was so he could attempt to snipe later? Possibly.

My point was, if you avoid auctions on eBay because of retractions by other bidders, you wouldn't be able to buy anything. Ebay doesn't do squat to them. It's part of the life over there. But if you are willing to spend $600 on a card, and it's going for $550, and the only thing "odd" with the auction are 2 bidders with retractions, I'd say it's safer to buy from them than an item selling for $575 with a bidder with 95% activity.
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If you weren't saying the seller was doing it, why did you say there was a scam going on?

I'm simply saying I don't believe this was schilling. Was it a buyer wanting to see who's someone max was so he could attempt to snipe later? Possibly.

My point was, if you avoid auctions on eBay because of retractions by other bidders, you wouldn't be able to buy anything. Ebay doesn't do squat to them. It's part of the life over there. But if you are willing to spend $600 on a card, and it's going for $550, and the only thing "odd" with the auction are 2 bidders with retractions, I'd say it's safer to buy from them than an item selling for $575 with a bidder with 95% activity.
The 'scam' didn't have to be by the seller. It can be other bidders scamming people into paying more for a card so that they can boost the values of their own cards. Happened a lot during the Fleer Retro hype!

Bid retractions are typically a pretty good indicator that people are up to something, not always, but in a LOT of instances. There is no valid reason for bumping up someone else's bids to their max and retracting.

The card has previously been selling around $550, yet you think the guys retracting are planning to snipe for over $570? Call me a skeptic, whatever, but I always stay away from auctions like this!
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Looks dodgy as sh!t to me!

2 bidders have retracted their bids, one looks legit, the other has 24 retractions in the last 6 months, so would not be an accident!

Also, the bidder e**i (725) has 40 retractions in the last 6 months!

Scam running here, no doubt!
Prove it! How can you bad mouth someone without knowing for sure?

Have proof, then we can talk.
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Prove it! How can you bad mouth someone without knowing for sure?

Have proof, then we can talk.
Touché! Haha

Between you and Nissandriver, I have been shown the light! Haha
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The high bid is now down to $534. Strange.
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