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Old 11-16-2012, 11:35 AM   #26 (permalink)
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They definitely need more than just base and gold. Geez, they are making very few parallels this year! Totally Certified should be a lot of fun though, with the blue, green, red, etc.
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They definitely need more than just base and gold. Geez, they are making very few parallels this year! Totally Certified should be a lot of fun though, with the blue, green, red, etc.
For hobby boxes, there are base, Prizm parallel, and Gold Prizm parallel /10. So base and two parallels.

Retail has the green parallels, in addition to the Prizm and Gold, I think?

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Old 11-16-2012, 12:11 PM   #28 (permalink)
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He replied to my comment. There are not gold prism RC autos, just base and prizm. Wonder if there are gold vet autos
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:15 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Probably black 1/1
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Old 11-16-2012, 01:31 PM   #30 (permalink)
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They definitely need more than just base and gold. Geez, they are making very few parallels this year! Totally Certified should be a lot of fun though, with the blue, green, red, etc.
I believe there would not be red prism only in football!
I might be wrong coz Tracy said wait for it!
It might be a surprise for everyone.
A die cut red prizm.

I already ordered my box.
Just need to do my errands at target to get the retail!
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:49 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Two questions why no 1/1? Also why no gold prizm auto. I just dont get it, it adds so much value and its not like there are too many parallels i mean there is only one.
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I saw that about the reds. Loving this. A lebron gold or red will be awesome and valuable
Sure would be if Panini could use Lebron. He and MJ are Upper Deck exclusive.
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Old 11-16-2012, 04:06 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I don't get it...

No Gold rookie autos? Only the Base and the Prizm?
No 1/1's?
The green parallels must not be rare... 1 in 10 odds for retail packs. So there could be a ton of these out there.

None of these things make sense to me. I figured the green would be really rare. And I figured more parallels than just the prizm and gold prizm. And I would think if they would make prizm autos for the rookies, they could do gold prizm autos for the rookies too.

Weird... adding those few things into this set would make it a killer set, no matter if the autos are stickers or not. But I'm just not seeing the value for $100 a box. I'll pick up a few singles instead, but that's about it.
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Old 11-16-2012, 04:54 PM   #34 (permalink)
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the best auto you can possibly get will be a prizm which will be like /99 or /50 or something thats just dumb. The gold prizm will still be sweet though.
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Old 11-16-2012, 04:56 PM   #35 (permalink)
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But I'm just not seeing the value for $100 a box.
most of the value in an average break is going to come from the base rookies, so it depends on how many base rookies you get per box -

normal collation on RC would be 40ish (good)

1 per pack like prestige would be 20 (bad)
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Old 11-16-2012, 05:07 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Pretty sure they can have Lebron base/Prizm cards. He has some in prestige and threads, including patches. Almost positive he will have base, Prizm, gold, and green. Can anyone confirm??


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Old 11-16-2012, 05:15 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Pretty sure they can have Lebron base/Prizm cards. He has some in prestige and threads, including patches. Almost positive he will have base, Prizm, gold, and green. Can anyone confirm??

He's talking about autographs of them....
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I guess so, but my original comment mentioned nothing about autographs

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Old 11-16-2012, 06:56 PM   #39 (permalink)
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What great potential, but again horrible execution and end results.


Panini, stop trying to push out products and half-assing them. Put the full effort, not a glimmer of hope, and you'll see some lasting value in your products other than NT !

We know the point of stickers, to save time/$$$ ... but it makes what would have been an AMAZING set with on-card autos ... now look like crap except for the handful of on-card autos.

Why make gold parallels of the base, but not of the autographs?! That's just HORRIBLE design. It really makes ZERO sense to not include the autograph parallel!

And lastly, LISTEN TO THE BOARDS. I really don't understand how these companies (even UD) push out products and neglect the demands of the hobby. I wonder how many times Tracy Hackler has heard "NO STICKERS!" Yet they keep pumping out sticker auto products and diluting their product even more! They've already trashed the value of Kobe Panini autos ... they're working on doing the same for Durant it seems like.

QUALITY OVER QUANTITY ... LEARN THIS IF YOU WANT YOUR COMPANY TO HOLD REAL *VALUE* TO THE HOBBY!
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Also, does anyone know what the numbering will be for the set?!
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And lastly, LISTEN TO THE BOARDS. I really don't understand how these companies (even UD) push out products and neglect the demands of the hobby. I wonder how many times Tracy Hackler has heard "NO STICKERS!" Yet they keep pumping out sticker auto products and diluting their product even more! They've already trashed the value of Kobe Panini autos ... they're working on doing the same for Durant it seems like.
We might be able to have all on-card autos if we were willing to pay twice as much for all of our packs/boxes, have more redemptions and wait a lot longer for products to be released. Of course, people would them complain about that as well.

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Old 11-16-2012, 07:24 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Damn sticker autos..I will be getting me one of the Kobe autos though since those are oncard!
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We might be able to have all on-card autos if we were willing to pay twice as much for all of our packs/boxes, have more redemptions and wait a lot longer for products to be released. Of course, people would them complain about that as well.
There are people who would pay more. Look what people were paying for Exquisite this year, and it's a complete garbage product. If this set was all on-card autos, no scrubs, and had a gold parallel #/10, green #/5 and a 1/1 version ... it would be the SET OF THE YEAR BY FAR.

The wait time is irrelevant, they could make a set and have it in progress for 6 months or a year or whatever time they need, just don't make it public until its filled with all of the on-card autos back from players!
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Rarely are any sets "perfect", but this is the closest panini has been for bball. A gold /10 Kyrie will sell for some nice change. Also, a Lebron or Kobe /10 will be a $200 or more card. I'm excited
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:55 PM   #45 (permalink)
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There are people who would pay more. Look what people were paying for Exquisite this year, and it's a complete garbage product. If this set was all on-card autos, no scrubs, and had a gold parallel #/10, green #/5 and a 1/1 version ... it would be the SET OF THE YEAR BY FAR.

The wait time is irrelevant, they could make a set and have it in progress for 6 months or a year or whatever time they need, just don't make it public until its filled with all of the on-card autos back from players!
I agree - As someone else said, what was Panini doing during the lockout? ... They should have designed all the sets for this year and give the players PLENTY of time to sign on-card autos !!!
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There are people who would pay more.
I think we already have more than enough high-end products.
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I think we already have more than enough high-end products.
Yeah, but none of them compare to good products of the past.

Nothing compares to UD pre- losing the license, and Topps high end.

Panini and UD now are simply doing it wrong.
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:12 PM   #48 (permalink)
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So the green would be not limited???
I would like to believe it would be a very low number. Then to just place it on Retail is a very executive Decision...Genius. I think in the Business side. We would then be chasing two Different products.
But So Far This would be a great Product and the Buzz it creates... Then Hopefully next time then It would have more improvement or tweaks to be able to satisfy all hobby world.
I think If we would pull a Kobe or Durant auto or any of those Gold Parallels then We would definitely be satisfied...
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:48 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Let's enjoy the debut of Prizm basketball. If collectors embrace this product, I'm sure Panini will plan for a better release next year. Maybe we will see "Prizm Reflection" ala refractor and the wonderful array of colors.
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So the green would be not limited???

for a change they are not making an unlimited amount of retail. my retail distributer had a pretty small allocation.
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