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Old 12-10-2012, 06:12 PM   #26 (permalink)
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With no regular refractor cards in retail. Those are gonna be much shorter printed than I thought.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:33 PM   #27 (permalink)
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no reg refractors in retail only greens i believe
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:55 PM   #28 (permalink)
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(see edit below, I had a brain fart) Someone please check my math, because if the prizm parallels are not in retail, then I'm estimating that they are numbered to /16. But that's impossible. Please check my math/logic below, I'm not sure I'm doing it right. These numbers are based off my 9 case break.

First off a guess as to how many cases (hobby) were made. I opened 9 cases and pulled 23 total golds /10. (2.56 per case) There are 3900 total gold cards in the product. 3900 total gold cards divided by 2.56 per case = 1523.44 cases.

Now for the prizm parallels. I pulled 363 prizm parallels in 9 cases. (40.3 per case) If there are 1523 cases, and you pull 40.3 per hobby case, that means there are a total number of 61,376.9 prizm parallels. Since we know the prizm parallel checklist (base + inserts, does not include the auto prizm's) is 3900, then we take 61,376.9 divided by 3900, and we arrive at 15.7. That means the prizm parallels are numbered (on average) to /16? That's impossible. Sure some prizm parallels might be harder to find than others, but an average of /16? No way.

Either my math/logic is totally wrong. Or Panini left out a ton of prizm parallels that were meant to go into retail? I can't make sense of that 15.7 number.

EDIT: stupid me. I need to divide 61,376.9 by 390! (not 3900) 3900 is the total number of gold's. We want the checklist for prizm parallels, which is 390. Yeah, so this makes more sense. 61,376.9 divided by 390 = 157.

So, I'm estimating the prizm parallels are around /157.

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Old 12-10-2012, 07:24 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Nice match work. Seems like that is about right.
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:41 PM   #30 (permalink)
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(see edit below, I had a brain fart) Someone please check my math, because if the prizm parallels are not in retail, then I'm estimating that they are numbered to /16. But that's impossible. Please check my math/logic below, I'm not sure I'm doing it right. These numbers are based off my 9 case break.

First off a guess as to how many cases (hobby) were made. I opened 9 cases and pulled 23 total golds /10. (2.56 per case) There are 3900 total gold cards in the product. 3900 total gold cards divided by 2.56 per case = 1523.44 cases.

Now for the prizm parallels. I pulled 363 prizm parallels in 9 cases. (40.3 per case) If there are 1523 cases, and you pull 40.3 per hobby case, that means there are a total number of 61,376.9 prizm parallels. Since we know the prizm parallel checklist (base + inserts, does not include the auto prizm's) is 3900, then we take 61,376.9 divided by 3900, and we arrive at 15.7. That means the prizm parallels are numbered (on average) to /16? That's impossible. Sure some prizm parallels might be harder to find than others, but an average of /16? No way.

Either my math/logic is totally wrong. Or Panini left out a ton of prizm parallels that were meant to go into retail? I can't make sense of that 15.7 number.

EDIT: stupid me. I need to divide 61,376.9 by 390! (not 3900) 3900 is the total number of gold's. We want the checklist for prizm parallels, which is 390. Yeah, so this makes more sense. 61,376.9 divided by 390 = 157.

So, I'm estimating the prizm parallels are around /157.
out of curiosity, in your cases how many insert prizm parallels did you pull? Do you think the print run on the insert refractors is lower than the base refractors?
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:49 PM   #31 (permalink)
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seems like insert prizms are much harder to come by. I've been checking ebay for awhile and they seem pretty scarce, wonder if they are shorter printed than the base prizms
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:59 PM   #32 (permalink)
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out of curiosity, in your cases how many insert prizm parallels did you pull? Do you think the print run on the insert refractors is lower than the base refractors?
I didn't keep track of insert prizm's vs 1-300 prizm's. However, I know for a fact I pulled several prizm's of each insert set, some more than others because the insert sets don't all have the same number of cards.

Based on my break, I'd say the insert prizm's are #'d to the same as the 1-300 prizm's. I did not get any sense that the insert prizm's are SP'd. The reason you see them less is because there are only 90 insert cards that are prizm'd but there are 300 base cards that are prizm'd. That's the only difference I saw in my break. But again, I didn't didn't take exact number. I wish I had. But many cards are already sold and shipped so there's no way to go back and check.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:05 PM   #33 (permalink)
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not that it changes much, but aren't there 100 inserts?
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yeah, there are 100 inserts
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:14 PM   #35 (permalink)
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not that it changes much, but aren't there 100 inserts?
Yes. Another brain fart for good 'ol Alex.

There are 100 inserts.

So what does that do to the math...

1562.5 cases (4000 divided by 2.56)

153 non-numbered prizm parallels (61,376.9 divided by 400)

I think my brain was fart free on that math.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:52 PM   #36 (permalink)
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They seem pretty rare? Much more limited than I thought!
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:11 PM   #37 (permalink)
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They seem pretty rare? Much more limited than I thought!
I think much more rare than a lot of people though!

I feel very good about my $9.99 purchase of a Kobe refractor buy it now!
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:27 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Lets make the official print run #/199
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