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Old 12-07-2012, 01:09 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Where would Kobe be without Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, and the refs?

He wouldn't even be close in the discussion of GOAT, even on the flakers.
Same place every othe players would be without their team mates!! Nowhere!

MJ without Pippen and Rodman is no winner at all!!
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Where would Kobe be without Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, and the refs?

He wouldn't even be close in the discussion of GOAT, even on the flakers.
but that same argument could be made on Jordan right?

He had the refs on his side, he had hall of fame teammates and a hall of fame coach
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If Kobe was so great why didnt he get the 3 finals MVPs with Shaq? And a very controversial MVP that belonged to Gasol.

And yes greatness is measured by PLAYOFF FINALS MVPS, anyone can win a ring just by being on a great team. But how many can win a FINALS MVP?

As great as he is, Shaq carried that team end of story. To say Shaq is to Kobe what Wade is to Lebron is nuts.

Lebron won the MVP and basically crushed teams without Wade. Heck the Heat are 18-2 without Wade. Gimme Bosh over Wade

Kobe throws his teammates under the bus every time they fail, and that is not the sign of a great leader.
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well....it almost happened in cleveland save for a horrible finals performance by him.

But the Kobe/Lebron argument is non-existant. Until Lebron remains a force in the league for another 6-7 years they aren't even in the same discussion
exactly, and when kobe had awful games, there were others that would/could step up and lead the team. for the cavs, if lebron didnt dominate, they stood no chance. imo its remarkable how much sucess lebron had in cleavland. i kind of agree with your, lets wait 6-7 years for a discussion. but its hard not to discuss when a player has been in the league 10 seasons and has been dominant in the league.
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exactly, and when kobe had awful games, there were others that would/could step up and lead the team. for the cavs, if lebron didnt dominate, they stood no chance. imo its remarkable how much sucess lebron had in cleavland. i kind of agree with your, lets wait 6-7 years for a discussion. but its hard not to discuss when a player has been in the league 10 seasons and has been dominant in the league.
Kobe has been blessed since Day ONE!

He had the leadership and the team basically handed to him.

What did Lebron have?

Take Lebron put him on the Lakers and take Kobe and put him on the Heat.
Lakers 82 win team? LOL
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Kobe has been blessed since Day ONE!

He had the leadership and the team basically handed to him.

What did Lebron have?

Take Lebron put him on the Lakers and take Kobe and put him on the Heat.
Lakers 82 win team? LOL
The Heat didn't win 82 with Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, why would the Lakers win 82 with Lebbron, Pau and Odom?

Clearly you're trolling
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The Heat didn't win 82 with Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, why would the Lakers win 82 with Lebbron, Pau and Odom?

Clearly you're trolling
lol, i think he was referring to the "super" team the lakers have right now.
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The Heat didn't win 82 with Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, why would the Lakers win 82 with Lebbron, Pau and Odom?

Clearly you're trolling
Wade isnt the same Wade everyone knows that.
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I mean that weather you realize it or not you are influenced by certain things. In matters that are non-fact, and opinions, whether we realize it or not there are certain biases at play
I have tired to think of one way I would be biased and I can't find one.
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lol, i think he was referring to the "super" team the lakers have right now.
So Lebron could win 82 with Howard, Chris Duhon, Antawn Jamison and World Peace???
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Kobe has been blessed since Day ONE!

He had the leadership and the team basically handed to him.

What did Lebron have?

Take Lebron put him on the Lakers and take Kobe and put him on the Heat.
Lakers 82 win team? LOL
Any team that was blessed ended up winning it. You telling me the Bulls teams that won those years wasnt blessed? MJ, Rodman, Pippen? Or the Heat? Bosh, Wade, Lebron?

Stack them up..

MJ, Pippen, Rodman
Kobe, Shaq, *Insert who ever you want here*
Kobe, Paul Gasol, Meta world peace 'woot woot!!"
Lebron, Bosh, Wade

You telling me Kobe was the only one blessed with talent when he won? LOL
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So Lebron could win 82 with Howard, Chris Duhon, Antawn Jamison and World Peace???
no way jose
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Wade isnt the same Wade everyone knows that.
And Pau isnt the same Pau!! everyone knows that!!
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Thats becasue MJ couldnt win a ring in his early years like Kobe did. Want to know why? Because he didnt have Pippen, Rodman with him. Unlike MJ who could not win without Pippen and Rodman, Kobe was able to win without Shaq. Not once, but twice!!

You fail again trying to compare Kobe in 96,97,98 to MJ in 91,92,93.
I didn't try to compare those years... Not sure where that came from. Kobe won with Pau and Bynum. That is about the same wouldn't you say?
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I didn't try to compare those years... Not sure where that came from. Kobe won with Pau and Bynum. That is about the same wouldn't you say?
Not really
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Very typical. As much as you say "So what if Kobe had more 40 pt games, The point is?" I say the same thing everytime you bring dummy facts like "MJ never lost in the finals" or "MJ has more MVPS voted by a bunch of armchair QBs that never played the game" Circle jerk argument. Again "Bottle view". You only see it so as long as it fits your agenda. I cant argue that. Infact I wont argue that.
Yes these writes must know anything they are talking about. The probably don't even watch games lol. I'm sure they watch the latest how I meet your mother episode. These people are experts and that why they choose the MVP and not you and me. Even if they mess up once every ten years Kobe isn't even close to Jordan. Your bias. That's all.

There is a reason they have awards,stats and championships and based on those your argument holds very little validity.
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Not really
How isn't it? Pau was an allstar and Bynum is one of the top centers. The years they won Bynum was for the most part health and playing at a high level.
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And Pau isnt the same Pau!! everyone knows that!!
and thats why the lakers have been struggling the past few years, wade isnt the same wade and miami have been in the finals the past 2 years with 1 title.
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i just wanted to say, so far im loving the debate on this thread, its remained pretty clean imo, even though its went off topic, stuff like this is why i love coming on this site. while i dont agree with everyones opinions, its fun discussing and seeing other peoples view pionts on stuff.
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Very true. Pretty respectful for the most part. Hope it says that way. Just wish people weren't so bias to there favorite players.

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i just wanted to say, so far im loving the debate on this thread, its remained pretty clean imo, even though its went off topic, stuff like this is why i love coming on this site. while i dont agree with everyones opinions, its fun discussing and seeing other peoples view pionts on stuff.
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I didn't try to compare those years... Not sure where that came from. Kobe won with Pau and Bynum. That is about the same wouldn't you say?
Here is what you said..

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Every team needs a second option, but under no circumstance was Jordan ever viewed as a second option as Kobe clearly was his first three championships.
When was Kobe a 2nd option? You consider him to be 2nd option to shaq. But dont sit here and tell me that Kobe was a 2nd option to Pau Gasol. Thats just pushing it!!

The only time Ill even give you the 2nd option is when Kobe was a rookie playing with Shaq.
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Here is what you said..



When was Kobe a 2nd option? You consider him to be 2nd option to shaq. But dont sit here and tell me that Kobe was a 2nd option to Pau Gasol. Thats just pushing it!!

The only time Ill even give you the 2nd option is when Kobe was a rookie playing with Shaq.
I never said Kobe was second option to Pau... Where did I say that? His first three titles he was second fiddle to Shaq. Last two he was the MVP. I think you have my confused with what Tristan wrote.
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How isn't it? Pau was an allstar and Bynum is one of the top centers. The years they won Bynum was for the most part health and playing at a high level.
I don't know, I just fail to see how you can compare

Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum
Lamar Odom
Derek Fisher
Trevor Ariza
Sasha Vujacic

to

Toni Kukoc
Scottie Pippen
Ron harper
Dennis Rodman
Luc Longley
Steve Kerr


But maybe it's just me
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and thats why the lakers have been struggling the past few years, wade isnt the same wade and miami have been in the finals the past 2 years with 1 title.
Miami has been in the finals with Lebron, Wade and Bosh. Dont forget the third tandem!!

Lakers have been struggling because guys like Pau and Bynum were not dependable in my opinion.
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Same place every othe players would be without their team mates!! Nowhere!

MJ without Pippen and Rodman is no winner at all!!
without two lucky SINGLE shots in the playoffs, Kobe has 2 less rings.

All the Kobe defenders are all too young to remember bird, magic, dr. J, and even Jordan.
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