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Old 12-09-2012, 06:19 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:20 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I think there is a difference between best of all time then greater of all time.

Best of all time is more about skills/ all around game. Greatest of all time starts to take into account personality, winning and all that junk.
Jordan is the greatest and best of all time. Period.
Lebron James just won once. That's also in an asterisk season
A lockout season. Unless I'm missing something here. There is no way that he should be compared to Kobe Or Jordan because Lebron James hasn't won that much championship to be even considered as a champion.

Unless again... that That King James self proclaimed has the ring ,one ring to rule them all....
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:26 PM   #28 (permalink)
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That's my point. Winning a championship is a team thing. Something that should attribute to a players overall legacy but not define how good a person is actually at the game of basketball.

I think it only makes sense to be able to differentiate different aspects of a player. Why not compare a player based only on skill? If you do that then yes Lebron is quite possibly the 'best' ever.

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Old 12-09-2012, 06:27 PM   #29 (permalink)
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At this point in time, I would consider Lebron the 'Peyton Manning' of the NBA, while Jordan is the Joe Montana.

Going to have to put a lot more rings on those fingers to even be mentioned in the same breath...and even if that happens, it's going to be a tough argument. Jordan played during an era of pretty much majority of the top 50 players of all-time, all in their prime.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:30 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Jordan is the greatest and best of all time. Period.
Lebron James just won once. That's also in an asterisk season
A lockout season. Unless I'm missing something here. There is no way that he should be compared to Kobe Or Jordan because Lebron James hasn't won that much championship to be even considered as a champion.

Unless again... that That King James self proclaimed has the ring ,one ring to rule them all....
Pretty pointless to start a discussion then attempt to answer your own question by speaking in absolutes.

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Old 12-09-2012, 07:30 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I wanna what are the reactions to these. I also have to give my 2cents to it.
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:20 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I'm a fan of all three players, but the difference between MJ, Kobe, & LeBron is:

MJ struggled to win championships in the 1980's, but weathered the storm and finally acquired key role players to form a winning team.

Kobe struggled to win championships in the mid 2000's (after Shaq), but grinded it out and finally acquired key role players to form a winning team.

LeBron struggled to win championships during his time with the Cavs, and took his talents to south beach to play with already-established prime all-star veterans to form a winning team.
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:24 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I'm a fan of all three players, but the difference between MJ, Kobe, & LeBron is:

MJ struggled to win championships in the 1980's, but weathered the storm and finally acquired key role players to form a winning team.

Kobe struggled to win championships in the mid 2000's (after Shaq), but grinded it out and finally acquired key role players to form a winning team.

LeBron struggled to win championships during his time with the Cavs, and took his talents to south beach to play with already-established prime all-star veterans to form a winning team.
kobe and jordan had only key role players? not quite...

you need a little vocabulary help...
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:29 PM   #34 (permalink)
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BOAT = MJ
GOAT = MJ

MJ is not Michael Jackson

Lebron/Kobe are solid number 2's (not poop) and they nor their fans should be ashamed of that.
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:33 PM   #35 (permalink)
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kobe and jordan had only key role players? not quite...

you need a little vocabulary help...
Pippen was acquired through the draft who was not an established prime all-star veteran until he played for the Bulls.

Gasol was acquired through trade who was not an established prime all-star veteran until he played for the Lakers.

you need to loosen your LeBron bitch-leash...
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Pippen was acquired through the draft who was not an established prime all-star veteran until he played for the Bulls.

Gasol was acquired through trade who was not an established prime all-star veteran until he played for the Lakers.

you need to loosen your LeBron bitch-leash...
so wait you called pippen a 'role player'. when the bulls were winning championships pippen was only a 'role player'. LOL

and same for gasol? it doesn't matter how they were acquired. the way you wrote it was that jordan waited for role players, kobe got role players acquired for him and lebron has to go join SUPERSTARS.

LOL yeah that makes a lot of sense. pippen and gasol are merely just role player!
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:58 PM   #37 (permalink)
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lebron has to go join SUPERSTARS.
exactly!

I'm calling Pippen & Gasol as projected role players when they were acquired and later became all-star veterans.

LeBron joined already-established Superstars.

I'm glad we're finally on the same page, lol!!!
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exactly!

I'm calling Pippen & Gasol as projected role players when they were acquired and later became all-star veterans.

LeBron joined already-established Superstars.

I'm glad we're finally on the same page, lol!!!
first who cares what pippen was projected as. when jordan and the bulls were dominating the league he was a SUPERSTAR!

and Gasol wasn't a projected role player.

So basically you are just one of those 'oh lebron had to teamup babies' thanks for clearing that up you should have just said that to begin with instead of trying to be sneaky about it. which in the process just made you look silly.

pippen and gasol = role players bahahaha
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Pippen was acquired through the draft who was not an established prime all-star veteran until he played for the Bulls.

Gasol was acquired through trade who was not an established prime all-star veteran until he played for the Lakers.

you need to loosen your LeBron bitch-leash...
Pau had just as good numbers as he did in La when he was on Memphis there was no spike so I would say he was established he just got more popular when he went to LA
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:08 PM   #41 (permalink)
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pippen and gasol = role players bahahaha
it is clearly obvious Pippen and Gasol later became superstars so I didn't think I needed to mention it but in this case, I guess I needed to for the slow thinkers.. sorry I forgot about you, forgive me..
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it is clearly obvious Pippen and Gasol later became superstars so I didn't think I needed to mention it but in this case, I guess I needed to for the slow thinkers.. sorry I forgot about you, forgive me..
but what does it matter what they became? we are talking about playing with them.

when jordan was winning pippen was a superstar

when kobe was winning shaq, gasol were superstars

when lebron was winning wade was a superstar.


you're point that they werent superstars yet means absolutely nothing when trying to compare kobe, lebron, and jordan when they were winning championships...

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Old 12-09-2012, 09:20 PM   #43 (permalink)
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not getting into this argument. But throughout the course of his career so far, there's no way you can put him in the same league as mj. There's no way that you can honestly compare their careers and really say lebron is better. That's not saying that by the time he's done that he will never pass him. It's possible. Just as of now, there's no way.
if you compare their career up to the point that lebron is at now, yes you can say he is better/equal jordan.

Did jordan have 3 mvps by the age of 28 or 29?

It's just hard to compare a complete career to someone in the middle of it.
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lebron is the best of all time! Unlike the rest of us he gets to go home to his billion dollar mansion and live his trillionaire lifestyle. That's what he said right?
and as much as we hate to admit it, it's the truth.
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if you compare their career up to the point that lebron is at now, yes you can say he is better/equal jordan.

Did jordan have 3 mvps by the age of 28 or 29?

It's just hard to compare a complete career to someone in the middle of it.
agree

i think the whole point of calling him the 'best' of all time is saying that right now at this moment he is the best all around skilled player that has played the game.

whether you agree or disagree is up for debate but maybe great players, coaches, etc have said he is and when you break down the skill set he has it is very hard to go against that.
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if you compare their career up to the point that lebron is at now, yes you can say he is better/equal jordan.

Did jordan have 3 mvps by the age of 28 or 29?

It's just hard to compare a complete career to someone in the middle of it.

compare MVPs? what if you compare championships? Does he lose the argument? Or did you just pick something he would win at?
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i'm a fan of all three players, but the difference between mj, kobe, & lebron is:

Mj struggled to win championships in the 1980's, but weathered the storm and finally acquired key role players to form a winning team.

Kobe struggled to win championships in the mid 2000's (after shaq), but grinded it out and finally acquired key role players to form a winning team.

Lebron struggled to win championships during his time with the cavs, and took his talents to south beach to play with already-established prime all-star veterans to form a winning team.
wtf dude pippen kukoc rodman role players?????????????????????

Gasol (top 5 pf in league and bynum #2 center in league) ???????????
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it is clearly obvious pippen and gasol later became superstars so i didn't think i needed to mention it but in this case, i guess i needed to for the slow thinkers.. Sorry i forgot about you, forgive me..
jesus christ dude you keep leving out kukoc, rodman and bynum????
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compare mvps? What if you compare championships? Does he lose the argument? Or did you just pick something he would win at?
did jordan have a champ by the time he was 28 or 29? He had 1 so does lebron, along with 3 mvps.

I AND LEBRON WIN!!!!!!

EDIT APPEARS LEBRON HAS 1 AT 27 AND JORDAN HAD ZERO AT AGE 27

LEBRON HAS ALSO BEEN TO 3 FINALS BEFORE JORDAN EVER GOT TO 1

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haha thanks johnjohnny

he's just another "lebron had to join superstars baby"...
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