What can I do about someone saying the card wasn't in the package

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by murrke03

This thread would have been done 4 pages ago if you didn't get all hurt. Like I said originally move on and calm down.

Likewise if you could realize how much of a troll you are and leave things alone...

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by murrke03

See here's the issue. You jumped to the conclusion that I was criticizing and talking crap about hk. Even after I posted it was a joke numerous times. You got extremely defensive for no reason. Do you actually think I thought hk was protecting him? Like seriously think for a second.

Still wondering why you felt the need to mention me in that thread. Lol

Considering how bitter you always are about them, yes. Logic doesn't seem to have a place in your brain, at least not based on what you show on these forums.

You poked fun. Somebody joined in. You poked again. Sounds just like a little baby upset because you were banned.

[murrke03]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

Considering how bitter you always are about them, yes. Logic doesn't seem to have a place in your brain, at least not based on what you show on these forums.

You poked fun. Somebody joined in. You poked again. Sounds just like a little baby upset because you were banned.

Yup that's it. Im a little baby. I just learned to type and haven't even learned to speak yet.

You still haven't answered as to why you were talking to me and mentioning me in that thread? Is that logical? Haha

[fullmetal]

Originally Posted by brandonlec

Okay, so how would Signature Confirmation protect against situations like this?
Can anyone break it down for me?

-Brandon

Brandon -

It would not change the situation. I receive several dozen mailer everyday. At least three times a week I must sign for one more more packages. The postman doesn't hand me that package and allow me to open first. I don't know what is in it until after I have signed and he is gone. I don't believe I can legally open the package before signing. So, the same boat you would float.

[fullmetal]

Originally Posted by wheeler281

They just proved their system is a perfect blue print for the scammers . How sad

Without using an escrow company how else could this situation be prevented. It ends up as a he-said, she-said. We don't know, nor does paypal, what the buyer actually receives.

I've received damaged cards that were perfectly packaged only for the seller to tell me that USPS did it.

ASIDE:

Step back and look at the situation from a legal standpoint, not from an emotional standpoint. How could paypal rule differently? eBay policy doesn't say that a lost item is split 50-50 between buyer and seller. eBay policy states that a buyer WILL RECEIVE item purchased.

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

Still showing your ignorance. You find it highly unlikely that they don't scour all other forums searching for threads incase any of their members have done something wrong? Other than you doing that for anybody mentioning Lebron in a negative way, who else would have the time?

I helped found that site, but I was banned because I disapprove of the current Washington politics. What does that have to do with cards or trading integrity? I've conducted over 20,000 online transactions and I treat each and everyone personally. You won't have any concern buying from me. I guess I need to be on everyone's blocked list. I was invited back months ago, but I declined.

[thenwhatjk]

Originally Posted by fullmetal

I helped found that site, but I was banned because I disapprove of the current Washington politics. What does that have to do with cards or trading integrity? I've conducted over 20,000 online transactions and I treat each and everyone personally. You won't have any concern buying from me. I guess I need to be on everyone's blocked list. I was invited back months ago, but I declined.

Hey Matt, i just sent your stuff out this morning, I also signed you up for a number of snail mail mailing lists from the NAACP, a couple labor and community organizing groups, that kind of stuff. I figured since its never not appropriate to inject personal politics into any and every arena, this might be a fun reprieve to read up on in between ginobili packages

[fullmetal]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

Hey Matt, i just sent your stuff out this morning, I also signed you up for a number of snail mail mailing lists from the NAACP, a couple labor and community organizing groups, that kind of stuff. I figured since its never not appropriate to inject personal politics into any and every arena, this might be a fun reprieve to read up on in between ginobili packages

That is a federal crime.

My tax rate just went up. Are you not upset that yours went up, but you won't see any additional benefits for YOUR MONEY?

[thenwhatjk]

Federal crime? Pssshhhh.....F the feds!

[fullmetal]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

Federal crime? Pssshhhh.....F the feds!

Identify theft is considered a federal offense investigated by the FBI. On a civil front, signing another person up for mailings is considered impersonation, a tort offense.

Do you have a crush on me? Why do you follow my online postings? I sent you money, a capitalist action and you defend the current Administration? Note: I made no direct or indirect reference to the Administration until the sentence prior to this one. All of Washington is headed the wrong direction.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

Federal crime? Pssshhhh.....F the feds!

A mod from HK here to harrass members of this forum.

Just an FYI, its a federal offense to use someones priviate information without their consent to sign them up for anything.

I expected this from people who beg you for financial donations then ban you once you squeeze the tap on free money to support their cracking habits!! Go Figure!

[bdoody42]

Some people are so bitter about things..... Tis thread will be shut down soon because of all the uselessness....

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by bdoody42

Some people are so bitter about things..... Tis thread will be shut down soon because of all the uselessness....

And hopefully some vacations handed out...my God...

[xavieronly1]

Originally Posted by fullmetal

ASIDE:

Step back and look at the situation from a legal standpoint, not from an emotional standpoint. How could paypal rule differently? eBay policy doesn't say that a lost item is split 50-50 between buyer and seller. eBay policy states that a buyer WILL RECEIVE item purchased.

You will get more scammer from the seller side due to 50-50 split. Seller creates a fake auction. Sell the item to the buyer with empty package. Buyer filed charges. Seller gets to keep 50% of the sale.

eBay current policy works most of the cases. Seller is harder to cheat. And for buyers, if they cheat by saying package is empty, they are running the risk of making a crime.

[bdoody42]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

And hopefully some vacations handed out...my God...

I would think some people are close to vacations or being gone for good... I know there are some users on here many people wish would vanish.....we can only hope

[thenwhatjk]

Originally Posted by fullmetal

Identify theft is considered a federal offense investigated by the FBI. On a civil front, signing another person up for mailings is considered impersonation, a tort offense.

Do you have a crush on me? Why do you follow my online postings? I sent you money, a capitalist action and you defend the current Administration? Note: I made no direct or indirect reference to the Administration until the sentence prior to this one. All of Washington is headed the wrong direction.

I didn't sign ya up for anything silly, I wouldn't do that to you. I was merely attempting to make a point about how there are mediums which are inappropriate to get involved with things like this. You don't want to read about the NAACP in the comfort of your own personal sphere, but yet here I am injecting it into to your home, in front of your face.......which is totally bogus!! (again, i did not sign you up for anything). Why the F should you have to deal with ideas that, as a grown adult, you know you are NEVER going to be into? You shouldn't have to. So federal crime not withstanding, it is just wrong and inappropriate. I was ATTEMPTING to illustrate some similarity between that, and going on a basketball card message board and having to deal with some dude's political rants. And, like you just said, that doesn't have the FIRST thing to do with integrity or cards

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by bdoody42

I would think some people are close to vacations or being gone for good... I know there are some users on here many people wish would vanish.....we can only hope

I don't care if anyone goes or not as I choose to exercise my right to use the ignore feature but why can't everyone just act like mature, grown ass men on here? It's mind-boggling how some people treat others on here...

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by bdoody42

I would think some people are close to vacations or being gone for good... I know there are some users on here many people wish would vanish.....we can only hope

If you want this place to look like HK, why dont you just go there? Why come here? IT seems like members here are easy with transacting and talking in general. The key to the fighting starts with an HK member comes to this forum to promote their forum and brings up useless facts about being banned.

I have many more feedback on here than you do. I have 100x more on ebay than you do. Yet you think me being banned from HK gives you more credibilty in the BST section?

The fights would stop if HK foot soliders stopped coming here to poach members and harrass BO members in general.

[fullmetal]

Originally Posted by xavieronly1

You will get more scammer from the seller side due to 50-50 split. Seller creates a fake auction. Sell the item to the buyer with empty package. Buyer filed charges. Seller gets to keep 50% of the sale.

eBay current policy works most of the cases. Seller is harder to cheat. And for buyers, if they cheat by saying package is empty, they are running the risk of making a crime.

I agree. I wasn't attempting to justify the situation or the rules...simply wanted to point out how to look at it from a regulation/legal perspective. Both parties have a right to their side of the case and an unbiased third party must determine the true facts. Not a job I would care to perform.

[xavieronly1]

Originally Posted by fullmetal

I agree. I wasn't attempting to justify the situation or the rules...simply wanted to point out how to look at it from a regulation/legal perspective. Both parties have a right to their side of the case and an unbiased third party must determine the true facts. Not a job I would care to perform.

Legal perspective is not the best interest of any of the parties. Seller wants money. Buyers want cards. In most cases, people do not want to deal with any lawsuit (even if they have 100% true fact to win the case).

[fullmetal]

Originally Posted by xavieronly1

Legal perspective is not the best interest of any of the parties. Seller wants money. Buyers want cards. In most cases, people do not want to deal with any lawsuit (even if they have 100% true fact to win the case).

Clarification: I didn't mean legal as to court system, but legal as to paypal's job of dispute resolution.

Unless an independent third party (escrow) accepts both payment and item, evaluates both and distributes, I can't think of a better method. I am sure eBay would love to hear of a better method. They have come a long way since I joined in 1999, but they continue to adapt.

[bdoody42]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

If you want this place to look like HK, why dont you just go there? Why come here? IT seems like members here are easy with transacting and talking in general. The key to the fighting starts with an HK member comes to this forum to promote their forum and brings up useless facts about being banned.

I have many more feedback on here than you do. I have 100x more on ebay than you do. Yet you think me being banned from HK gives you more credibilty in the BST section?

The fights would stop if HK foot soliders stopped coming here to poach members and harrass BO members in general.

I never said I wanted this place to look like hobbykings. When did I say that?

I use multiple sites such as eBay,blowout,SCF and hobbykings to trade buy and sell....

I never called you out in anyway... I am not sure why you're being so defensive....you are correct you have more feedback here than me.
Many which come from group breaks...congrats.

My point about asking about members banned on other sites is to protect myself and the site I work for. I would think any user would be looking to protect themselves people who are banned from similar sites or have had other issues. I believe that is allowed....

Perhaps you have a great eBay rating and history. If so that's great that you provide trustworthy transactions. I have no information on that.

[murrke03]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

I don't care if anyone goes or not as I choose to exercise my right to use the ignore feature but why can't everyone just act like mature, grown ass men on here? It's mind-boggling how some people treat others on here...

Coming from you this is hilarious. You are the first to show up and post trolling crap in many topics. You should maybe take your own advice.

[bdoody42]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

I don't care if anyone goes or not as I choose to exercise my right to use the ignore feature but why can't everyone just act like mature, grown ass men on here? It's mind-boggling how some people treat others on here...

Some people act so ignorant.... But I do t use the ignore function because I feel it's like life you dot have an gnome button sadly. I just hope eventually some users eventually get booted for whatever reasons the BO staff deems fit..

I work over at SCF and we have have much less tolerance for trolling and such.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by bdoody42

Some people act so ignorant.... But I do t use the ignore function because I feel it's like life you dot have an gnome button sadly. I just hope eventually some users eventually get booted for whatever reasons the BO staff deems fit..

I work over at SCF and we have have much less tolerance for trolling and such.

Whats the scammer rate over at SCF? I hear of some pretty bad horror stories.

[bdoody42]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Whats the scammer rate over at SCF? I hear of some pretty bad horror stories.

I would love to hear some stories.....

I think you would know a user named Haiku... He tried to perform similar things on SCF but he was stopped... He also tried to create numerous accounts and all attempts were blocked...

I am not sure why you even posted a reply to my initial post....I never mentioned you under... You seemed very defensive.....Odd...

If you're so proud of your eBay account and your selling there, why don't you have it on here to help promote sales?