Would you bid if there is a blatant shilling?!

spinotron · 01-19-2013, 12:42 PM

A serious general question.

Suppose a nice card valued at 2k has an asking price 10k, which seller probably doesn't really looking to sell. He probably oversnipes at top by 1 million, and some hopeful people might place a realsitic snipe at the end and only to reveal their bottomline.

Would you bid on these type of auctions? If answer is yes or depends on the cards, then what stops all the other sellers (who aren't in financial concern) doing the same on any cards you like?

pnft17 · 01-19-2013, 12:50 PM

I just bid what I'm willing to pay.

SPauthentic84 · 01-19-2013, 12:52 PM

I really wish ebay would allow sellers to leave negs for NPB and only auctions that were paid for show up in completed listings. So many problems would be solved and not leave such a bitter taste in my mouth about bidding...

To answer your question though, if I want the card, Ill play the game

tristan20 · 01-19-2013, 03:13 PM

I just forget the card then, it would be relisted and sold for less.

Happens 90% of the time

nissandriver77 · 01-19-2013, 07:39 PM

No personally I wouldn't .

This hobby is such a rort with little poor scammers everywhere .

gamboooler · 01-19-2013, 08:50 PM

No, it's a matter of principle.

Hegotgame15 · 01-19-2013, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pnft17

I just bid what I'm willing to pay.

+1
If your after a card for X amount, then simply bid to what you wanna pay...

smackvay · 01-20-2013, 10:51 AM

A card is only worth what "YOU" the buyer will pay no matter who is selling it. Ive bought pc cards from one of the biggest shillers on ebay but if i didnt i wouldnt have it in my pc now. its a catch 22 but if you want the card get it

hairyangryfella · 01-21-2013, 01:53 PM

From previous personal experience, I would have bid an amount less than my max out of principal if bidding at all, either that or I would win it to leave feedback on the seller, which I did, which got removed, which is why I left ebay...
Seller became one of the biggest patch fakers on ebay...

scqg · 01-22-2013, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pnft17

I just bid what I'm willing to pay.

same here.

Imac7065 · 01-22-2013, 09:06 AM

Why can't ebay just end the "lowest amount possible" bids and end shilling all together? If I bid $5 on a card.. I'm willing to pay $5 for it right? Why do I need eBay to show my bid at 2.56 or whatever. People should just bid what they are willing to pay.. period

Orangejello727 · 01-22-2013, 09:15 AM

There are 2 services offered by ebay.

1. BIN/BO. For those who dont want to spend time on bidding, waiting and are looking to pay a fixed price (only willing pay $x). If you want to pay $500 for a card listed at $1000 OBO then you send an offer of $500. Simple as that. If they accept Hooray! If not, you are given 2 more chances at offers, but what for? I mean you sent an offer of what you wanted to pay, why would ever send anything else? Makes no sense

2. Auctions. Auctions are for people who have time and like to proxy bid. Bid early/late, play the game to see if you can win the auction for less then your intended budget on the card. In most cases this also envokes emotions that lead you to pay more than you are willing. Ebay likes this and needs it as the more you pay, the more they make. Auctions are used by ebay and many auction houses for this reason. It envokes an emotion that gets out of hand and leads you eventually pay more/bid more eventhough you had no intention to because you get caught up in the action and suddenly change your stance on budget.

Pretty simple choice in my opinion. If you're the type that want to pay an exact price on a card, then just BIN/BO on items. If you want to gamble at getting one cheaper and have time to bid, go the auction route.

01-19-2013, 12:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
spinotron Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 998	Would you bid if there is a blatant shilling?! A serious general question. Suppose a nice card valued at 2k has an asking price 10k, which seller probably doesn't really looking to sell. He probably oversnipes at top by 1 million, and some hopeful people might place a realsitic snipe at the end and only to reveal their bottomline. Would you bid on these type of auctions? If answer is yes or depends on the cards, then what stops all the other sellers (who aren't in financial concern) doing the same on any cards you like? __________________ Mainly collecting Kobe and Jordan cards. PLMK if you want to sell cards which I might need. Thx!

01-19-2013, 12:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
SPauthentic84 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: PA Posts: 8,347	I really wish ebay would allow sellers to leave negs for NPB and only auctions that were paid for show up in completed listings. So many problems would be solved and not leave such a bitter taste in my mouth about bidding... To answer your question though, if I want the card, Ill play the game __________________ *Looking for Michael Jordan Autos in Bulls Uniform and other high end UD Autos, esp Chronology Timeless Memories

01-20-2013, 10:51 AM	#8 (permalink)
smackvay Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: west virginia Posts: 9,385	A card is only worth what "YOU" the buyer will pay no matter who is selling it. Ive bought pc cards from one of the biggest shillers on ebay but if i didnt i wouldnt have it in my pc now. its a catch 22 but if you want the card get it __________________ SUPERCOLLECTOR LOOKING FOR PAT WHITE CARDS NEED SILVER? HAVE SILVER? PM ME EITHER WAYAS IVE GOT PLENTY OF PAYPAL TO PURCHASE YOUR SILVER

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01-19-2013, 12:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
pnft17 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,382	I just bid what I'm willing to pay.

01-19-2013, 03:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
tristan20 Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 12,910	I just forget the card then, it would be relisted and sold for less. Happens 90% of the time

01-19-2013, 07:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
nissandriver77 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 2,163	No personally I wouldn't . This hobby is such a rort with little poor scammers everywhere .

01-19-2013, 08:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
gamboooler Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4,535 gamboooler	No, it's a matter of principle.

01-21-2013, 01:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
hairyangryfella Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New Zealand Posts: 9,082	From previous personal experience, I would have bid an amount less than my max out of principal if bidding at all, either that or I would win it to leave feedback on the seller, which I did, which got removed, which is why I left ebay... Seller became one of the biggest patch fakers on ebay...

01-22-2013, 09:06 AM	#11 (permalink)
Imac7065 Banned Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 5,444 Imac7065	Why can't ebay just end the "lowest amount possible" bids and end shilling all together? If I bid $5 on a card.. I'm willing to pay $5 for it right? Why do I need eBay to show my bid at 2.56 or whatever. People should just bid what they are willing to pay.. period

01-22-2013, 09:15 AM	#12 (permalink)
Orangejello727 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 14,546	There are 2 services offered by ebay. 1. BIN/BO. For those who dont want to spend time on bidding, waiting and are looking to pay a fixed price (only willing pay $x). If you want to pay $500 for a card listed at $1000 OBO then you send an offer of $500. Simple as that. If they accept Hooray! If not, you are given 2 more chances at offers, but what for? I mean you sent an offer of what you wanted to pay, why would ever send anything else? Makes no sense 2. Auctions. Auctions are for people who have time and like to proxy bid. Bid early/late, play the game to see if you can win the auction for less then your intended budget on the card. In most cases this also envokes emotions that lead you to pay more than you are willing. Ebay likes this and needs it as the more you pay, the more they make. Auctions are used by ebay and many auction houses for this reason. It envokes an emotion that gets out of hand and leads you eventually pay more/bid more eventhough you had no intention to because you get caught up in the action and suddenly change your stance on budget. Pretty simple choice in my opinion. If you're the type that want to pay an exact price on a card, then just BIN/BO on items. If you want to gamble at getting one cheaper and have time to bid, go the auction route.