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Old 01-19-2013, 07:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default So is a Kyrie Irving Prizm considered a Rookie?

Sorry if it's been talked about, but I haven't been able to search all the prizm threads.

Pretty simple question. 10 years from now, will a Kyrie Irving prizm hold value as being his rookie card? Or will it just be considered a second year base card?
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Short answer: yes
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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My personal opinion is no.
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My personal opinion is no.
So then you think a Kyrie 12-13 Prizm will hold the same value as a kyrie 13-14 prizm?
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:27 PM   #5 (permalink)
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So then you think a Kyrie 12-13 Prizm will hold the same value as a kyrie 13-14 prizm?
Eventually yes, I think the only ones that will truly hold value are the 11-12 Auto's. (P&P, GS, Limited) --Just my personal opinion. No harm, no foul if you disagree.
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Eventually yes, I think the only ones that will truly hold value are the 11-12 Auto's. (P&P, GS, Limited) --Just my personal opinion. No harm, no foul if you disagree.
Oh no worries. Opinions are what I'm looking for!

There's a Prizm refractor of a guy I like who was a rookie last season. Just trying to decide if I want to invest in it or not.

I know rookie chrome refractors sell big if it's the right guy, but second year cards obviously not so much. Trying to decide if the card has room for growth
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The technical answer is yes, but people like PDawson have a valid reason to think otherwise. While it is current and being talked about, people will know that the 11-12 redemptions are XRCs but in years to come, people won't remember and will probably just look at the year of release!
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The technical answer is yes, but people like PDawson have a valid reason to think otherwise. While it is current and being talked about, people will know that the 11-12 redemptions are XRCs but in years to come, people won't remember and will probably just look at the year of release!
are all the redemptions autos? So the only true Rc cards are autos?
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Eventually yes


the market considers 2012 a RC and that will never change. no way in hell 2013 ever sells for the same as 2012.
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the market considers 2012 a RC and that will never change. no way in hell 2013 ever sells for the same as 2012.
I get confused with the years.

Are you saying that the market considers Prizm a rookie, or that only the redemptions are considered rookies?
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Sorry if it's been talked about, but I haven't been able to search all the prizm threads.

Pretty simple question. 10 years from now, will a Kyrie Irving prizm hold value as being his rookie card? Or will it just be considered a second year base card?
Sure would for sure IF it had a rookie logo...
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:51 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I honestly think it would not be universally regarded as an RC, but will be priced higher than otherwise non-RC second year cards. Good luck!
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I honestly think it would not be universally regarded as an RC, but will be priced higher than otherwise non-RC second year cards. Good luck!
Fair enough! In your opinion do you think there's much room for a Prizm green of a second year guy to grow if he plays well?
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are all the redemptions autos? So the only true Rc cards are autos?
Yes, just three redemption's I believe.
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Yes, just three redemption's I believe.
Well perhaps that will help the value of this years cards since there were no base last year, basically just auto'd inserts
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2012-13 Kyrie cards are now and will forever be considered RC cards.
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Fair enough! In your opinion do you think there's much room for a Prizm green of a second year guy to grow if he plays well?
As always, the room depends on the price point you buy, make-up of market (namely how many people paying too priced are not short term resellers) and attention the product receives after flipping round is finished.

If it's a breakout performance, and prizm green is as limited to around 50 as people have been speculating, the product is genuinely loved by non-reselling collectors and people still discuss it once in a while, you should do well. Also Select prizm doesn't seem to have green retail version so it will get less impacted. Also collectors love anything and everything green.

So if you do prospecting good enough and don't buy at absolute peak price, it is a promising to invest in prizm green of a potentially promising guy.
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12-13 is not a rookie card of kyrie


People will always buy his 11/12 cards and they will always command higher prices

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12-13 is not a rookie card of kyrie


People will always buy his 11/12 cards and they will always command higher prices
but it's only 3 cards and they are all autos
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If someone says, "What is Michael Jordan's RC card"? The answer is always instantly this one:



The answer isn't, "Well, his first appearance on a card was in 1984-85, and that was the year he was a real rookie, and he also had cards in 1985-86... but those weren't issued in packs so people consider the 1986-87 Fleer card the RC, even though its a 3rd year card".

Nope.

The answer is instantly...


And thats not because the Star cards are not sought after. The 1984-85 Star is as sought after (if not more) and has a value of $2200 compared to $650.

Its not because people aren't aware of the existence of the Star cards. I think nearly anyone buying an 1986-87 Jordan is aware its not from his rookie year and there are 2 years of cards made before it.

Its because the 1986-87 Fleer IS Michael Jordan's RC. Nothing will change that.

Kyrie Irving's RC cards will always be 2012-13 cards. That is no reflection on how sought after the 2011-12 XRC's will be compared to the 2012-13. Its not a reflection on how the 2011-12 XRC's are treated on the secondary market. Its simply a fact. The 2012-13 ARE Kyrie Irving RC cards. Thats never going to change. There will NEVER come a time where his 2012-13 cards will just be considered a 2nd year base cards. It doesn't mean the XRC's won't be the cards to hold the most value, but they will never be RC cards. These are just facts.
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but it's only 3 cards and they are all autos
I have the 2/10 gold prizm kyrie and will buy and green kyrie refractor


Btw bgs 10 on kyrie 2/10
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If someone says, "What is Michael Jordan's RC card"? The answer is always instantly this one:



The answer isn't, "Well, his first appearance on a card was in 1984-85, and that was the year he was a real rookie, and he also had cards in 1985-86... but those weren't issued in packs so people consider the 1986-87 Fleer card the RC, even though its a 3rd year card".

Nope.

The answer is instantly...


And thats not because the Star cards are not sought after. The 1984-85 Star is as sought after (if not more) and has a value of $2200 compared to $650.

Its not because people aren't aware of the existence of the Star cards. I think nearly anyone buying an 1986-87 Jordan is aware its not from his rookie year and there are 2 years of cards made before it.

Its because the 1986-87 Fleer IS Michael Jordan's RC. Nothing will change that.

Kyrie Irving's RC cards will always be 2012-13 cards. That is no reflection on how sought after the 2011-12 XRC's will be compared to the 2012-13. Its not a reflection on how the 2011-12 XRC's are treated on the secondary market. Its simply a fact. The 2012-13 ARE Kyrie Irving RC cards. Thats never going to change. There will NEVER come a time where his 2012-13 cards will just be considered a 2nd year base cards. It doesn't mean the XRC's won't be the cards to hold the most value, but they will never be RC cards. These are just facts.
This is well written, and I agree with most of it. My only disagreement is that I think that his 2012-13 cards will end up being more valuable because they are nicer looking cards AND his 2011-12 and 2012-13 cards were all pretty much released in the same time frame.

I think there are reasonable opinions on all sides of this argument. But bottom line is that his most valuable rookie cards will be the 2012 offerings (Panini Prizm golds/refractors and National Treasures)
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If this was decided in court, I'm 99%+ certain that all 2012-13 Rookie cards (I emphasize the second word) would be found to be the 2013-13 cards issued are considered their true rookie. I could cite precedent, early and modern sports card literature, and countless other sources.

We are not arguing whether or not Draft (Kyrie's) class of 2011 are rookies in the NBA this year, (they are not), we are arguing that their CARDs issued in the 2012-13 release calendar are considered their Rookie.

These card rules also mean that 2008-09 Bowman Chrome Love, Rose, and Westbrook Autos are NOT considered rookie cards. The Rule on Rookie cards go both ways.
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why wouldn't 08-09 bowman chrome be rookies?
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